President Biden: The NEW one and only politics thread

I work with somebody who is anti-vax. I mean, as in saying we shouldn't be immunizing babies and children. He misses about a week each year to the flu and has horror stories about puking in the trash can while sitting on the toilet with diarrhea. Every time it's happened, I say "You know they have a vaccine for that, right?"

 

Well, one's a party I grew up with and one isn't, and one just lost to, like, perhaps the worst President ever. Somehow, for some, this is not a cause for self-reflection.

 

I mean ... I'm happy to self reflect, but the only answer seems to be, "Dems need to embrace populist nonsense."

A bunch of Union members just voted for the party of Right to Work, because the Trans are coming for their kids. Democrats saying, "that's a bunch of nonsense" didn't seem to work. Maybe they should just up the ante on fear mongering with populism?

 

If you look at the history this country, we have an abusive relationship with Republican leadership, electing them until they finally give us no other choice but to pack up the car and leave in the middle of the night when they're at the bar. We hang out with Democrats when we need catastrophes fixed (Great Depression, downturn under Bush 41, Great Recession) but obviously keep them in the friend zone, as we go hurrying back to our Elephanted Friends as soon as we're feeling better.

 

"We" my ass.

 

Bush41 lost for much the same reason Harris did. Nothing was a catastrophe (S&P rose 47.5% under Bush41), but unemployment ticked higher, and things were just harder for people than they were a little earlier.

 

I think you're eliding over immigration.

Beyond that, I think it's clear that a number of Trump voters won't even say they are Trump supporters - or won't even openly elucidate their concerns. So it's hard to know if it's a matter of populism, or what.

 

My response to that is that, apparently, people need to be told what to do, and I guess not enough people were told, or were smart enough to listen. And middle ground is usually what you go for when you're dealing with large numbers of disparate people who probably will need to compromise, meet in the middle, etc., in order to make things work, as much as possible, anyway, for the most number of people. It's a practical reality, unless you simply want to enforce your will on others, as Trump is going to try to do.

There's also nothing wrong with most religion, per se, or the fact that it sometimes asks for/dictates certain behavior that indicates you actually live out your beliefs. Usually, there is nothing wrong with that, either, even if it includes a call to influence others. It's supposed to have a good impact, and the fact that it doesn't, sometimes, does not mean it's all bad.

Frankly, Americans seemed to begin rejecting codes of behavior, most noticeably, just lately, and, it probably shouldn't be treated as if it's just some kind of collective personality trait. More likely, it's a breakdown in societal norms, and the fact that that's now apparently not only OK, but actually being encouraged by those in power, is not helping.

Despite Trump spouting about Christian values, I don't believe for a minute that he's a Christian, and I don't think anybody else should think he is one, either. He might be conservative (mostly for political reasons, more than anything), but nothing he says or does indicates that he's actually a Christian.

 

The American people aren't willing to have a hard discussion about immigration, which is why they voted for, "we'll just throw them all out and that will solve all our problems!"

And really: That's the bottom line. The Democrats are willing to face reality, and that includes delivering unpopular news (like "here's why you don't actually want two-percent interest rates.") The Republicans counter with "concepts of a plan."

.... and then you show up to do the, "both sides!" thing on the GOP's behalf.

 

But Fox's Christmas tree ...

 

Wait until they see the price of eggs (and tomatoes and chicken and replacing a roof) when we kick all those brown-skinned Spanish speakers out!

 

Trump ranting today like the lunatic he is about how he wants to sue Ann Selzer. Not polluters or price gougers. F*ck you egg people for this. F*ck you til the end of time.