NHL awards/draft/off-season/training camp/preseason running thread

hockeybeat · Jun 16, 2007

Re: 2007 NHL awards and off-season running thread

Beef03 said:

hockeybeat said:

Blackhawks trade Jassen Cullimore and Tony Salmelainen to Montreal for Sergei Samsanov.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news;_ylt=AvDKPPzFyjZRnPGzIj_HakZ7vLYF?slug=ap-canadiens-blackhawkstrade&prov=ap&type=lgns
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The Blackhawks finally land Samsonov. I just think Montreal was a bad fit for him, but not sure how much he has left to contribute. I wasn't thrilled by his play in Edmonton and he obviously wore out his welcome in Boston. Amazing how fast a young star player can fall.

Surprised by how many teams seemingly want Tony S. He was a bust in Edmonton, then they trade him straight up for Spacek to Chicago now this ... I think he's a player who looks great playing in Europe but who's game does not translate well in the NHL.

Also heard somewhere that the Habs plan to buyout Cullimore. Not sure how much truth there is to that, but it's an effort to clear more cap space to lure Souray which I think is futile in effort. The guy is going to California so he can be near his kid.
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The Montreal fans absolutely hated Samsanov. I know a guy who went up to see a Rangers-Habs game at the Bell Centre, and those fans booed Samsanov's name after he was announced as a scratch.

In the 63 games Samsanov played in, he skated with Alex Kovalev, who plays the same game he does, and Samsanov couldn't contribute anything.

In March, the Montreal Gazette wrote a feature on Tomas Plekanec. Early in the season, he, too, skated with Kovalev and Samsanov. But he struggled to find his niche. Midway through the season, Guy Carbonneau moved Plekanec onto another line and he caught fire playing a "simple" game.

Perhaps the most damning statement that can be made about a player was uttered by Bob Gainey.

â€œConsidering we didn’t have plans for Sergei Samsonov in our organization for next season, our options were either to buy out his contact or to trade him in order to allow us to save valuable cap room over the next two seasonsâ€ said Bob Gainey.

http://www.canadiens.com/eng/news/redirect.cfm?sectionID=habsNewsDetails.cfm&newsItemID=5972
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maberger · Jun 16, 2007

Re: 2007 NHL awards and off-season running thread

hockeybeat said:

MilanWall said:

JC said:

Keenan talking about being compassionate is a joke. When he coached the Canucks he had Grant Ledyard's name plate removed when he was given permission to visit his wife in Dallas who had been diagnosed with cancer. He told the team that Ledyard had quit on them.
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I knew Keenan was incompetent (recently, anyway). I had no idea he was batshit insane.
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Keenan's not batshit. He's just an asshole.
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absolutely. and the thing that is worst about him is not that the he trots out that "kinder, gentler" nonsense at every new stop, but that he picks on the weak.

and i don't mean soft players, altho he does that. he would've run leetch out of ny if messier didn't tell him he was crazy, so that tells you all you need to know about his hockey smarts.

no -- he picks on the trainers, and the assistant PR people, and the stick boys when his team is the visitor.

and more remarkable than his getting another job is that he's been able to get another job at all after bailing out on the NYR during game 6 versus NJD in 1994, when he stood on the bench and refused to coach. messier ran the bench that night because keenan was too busy doing his "i'll show you all how you can't win without me."

despicable.

hockeybeat · Jun 17, 2007

Re: 2007 NHL awards and off-season running thread

maberger said:

hockeybeat said:

MilanWall said:

JC said:

Keenan talking about being compassionate is a joke. When he coached the Canucks he had Grant Ledyard's name plate removed when he was given permission to visit his wife in Dallas who had been diagnosed with cancer. He told the team that Ledyard had quit on them.
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I knew Keenan was incompetent (recently, anyway). I had no idea he was batshit insane.
Click to expand...

Keenan's not batshit. He's just an asshole.
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absolutely. and the thing that is worst about him is not that the he trots out that "kinder, gentler" nonsense at every new stop, but that he picks on the weak.

and i don't mean soft players, altho he does that. he would've run leetch out of ny if messier didn't tell him he was crazy, so that tells you all you need to know about his hockey smarts.

no -- he picks on the trainers, and the assistant PR people, and the stick boys when his team is the visitor.

and more remarkable than his getting another job is that he's been able to get another job at all after bailing out on the NYR during game 6 versus NJD in 1994, when he stood on the bench and refused to coach. messier ran the bench that night because keenan was too busy doing his "i'll show you all how you can't win without me."

despicable.
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The then-President of MSG, Bob Gutowski, put his foot down when Keenan was begging Neil Smith to trade Leetch to Chicago for Chris Chelios.

George Johnson wrote a tremendous column for ESPN.com, flat-out saying that Keenan could be the reason Iginla and Kiprusoff leave Calgary following next season.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/story?columnist=johnson_george&id=2905184

Flash · Jun 17, 2007

Re: 2007 NHL awards and off-season running thread

hockeybeat said:

maberger said:

hockeybeat said:

MilanWall said:

JC said:

Keenan talking about being compassionate is a joke. When he coached the Canucks he had Grant Ledyard's name plate removed when he was given permission to visit his wife in Dallas who had been diagnosed with cancer. He told the team that Ledyard had quit on them.
Click to expand...

I knew Keenan was incompetent (recently, anyway). I had no idea he was batshit insane.
Click to expand...

Keenan's not batshit. He's just an asshole.
Click to expand...

absolutely. and the thing that is worst about him is not that the he trots out that "kinder, gentler" nonsense at every new stop, but that he picks on the weak.

and i don't mean soft players, altho he does that. he would've run leetch out of ny if messier didn't tell him he was crazy, so that tells you all you need to know about his hockey smarts.

no -- he picks on the trainers, and the assistant PR people, and the stick boys when his team is the visitor.

and more remarkable than his getting another job is that he's been able to get another job at all after bailing out on the NYR during game 6 versus NJD in 1994, when he stood on the bench and refused to coach. messier ran the bench that night because keenan was too busy doing his "i'll show you all how you can't win without me."

despicable.
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The then-President of MSG, Bob Gutowski, put his foot down when Keenan was begging Neil Smith to trade Leetch to Chicago for Chris Chelios.

George Johnson wrote a tremendous column for ESPN.com, flat-out saying that Keenan could be the reason Iginla and Kiprusoff leave Calgary following next season.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/story?columnist=johnson_george&id=2905184
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Shaky is usually a pretty good read.

cdnhockeynut · Jun 17, 2007

Re: 2007 NHL awards and off-season running thread

hockeybeat said:

Blackhawks trade Jassen Cullimore and Tony Salmelainen to Montreal for Sergei Samsanov.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news;_ylt=AvDKPPzFyjZRnPGzIj_HakZ7vLYF?slug=ap-canadiens-blackhawkstrade&prov=ap&type=lgns
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Samsonov will do much better outside of Chicago. With the potential of playing with Havlat, he should return to form. He just didn't fit in Montreal.

Sam Mills 51 · Jun 17, 2007

Re: 2007 NHL awards and off-season running thread

hockeybeat said:

maberger said:

hockeybeat said:

MilanWall said:

JC said:

Keenan talking about being compassionate is a joke. When he coached the Canucks he had Grant Ledyard's name plate removed when he was given permission to visit his wife in Dallas who had been diagnosed with cancer. He told the team that Ledyard had quit on them.
Click to expand...

I knew Keenan was incompetent (recently, anyway). I had no idea he was batshit insane.
Click to expand...

Keenan's not batshit. He's just an asshole.
Click to expand...

absolutely. and the thing that is worst about him is not that the he trots out that "kinder, gentler" nonsense at every new stop, but that he picks on the weak.

and i don't mean soft players, altho he does that. he would've run leetch out of ny if messier didn't tell him he was crazy, so that tells you all you need to know about his hockey smarts.

no -- he picks on the trainers, and the assistant PR people, and the stick boys when his team is the visitor.

and more remarkable than his getting another job is that he's been able to get another job at all after bailing out on the NYR during game 6 versus NJD in 1994, when he stood on the bench and refused to coach. messier ran the bench that night because keenan was too busy doing his "i'll show you all how you can't win without me."

despicable.
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The then-President of MSG, Bob Gutowski, put his foot down when Keenan was begging Neil Smith to trade Leetch to Chicago for Chris Chelios.

George Johnson wrote a tremendous column for ESPN.com, flat-out saying that Keenan could be the reason Iginla and Kiprusoff leave Calgary following next season.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/story?columnist=johnson_george&id=2905184
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Agreed, HB. That was well done. Can Sutter survive if Iron Mike rides everyone too hard, bombs and causes Iginla and Kipper to leave?

hockeybeat · Jun 17, 2007

Re: 2007 NHL awards and off-season running thread

Sam Mills 51 said:

hockeybeat said:

maberger said:

hockeybeat said:

MilanWall said:

JC said:

Keenan talking about being compassionate is a joke. When he coached the Canucks he had Grant Ledyard's name plate removed when he was given permission to visit his wife in Dallas who had been diagnosed with cancer. He told the team that Ledyard had quit on them.
Click to expand...

I knew Keenan was incompetent (recently, anyway). I had no idea he was batshit insane.
Click to expand...

Keenan's not batshit. He's just an asshole.
Click to expand...

absolutely. and the thing that is worst about him is not that the he trots out that "kinder, gentler" nonsense at every new stop, but that he picks on the weak.

and i don't mean soft players, altho he does that. he would've run leetch out of ny if messier didn't tell him he was crazy, so that tells you all you need to know about his hockey smarts.

no -- he picks on the trainers, and the assistant PR people, and the stick boys when his team is the visitor.

and more remarkable than his getting another job is that he's been able to get another job at all after bailing out on the NYR during game 6 versus NJD in 1994, when he stood on the bench and refused to coach. messier ran the bench that night because keenan was too busy doing his "i'll show you all how you can't win without me."

despicable.
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The then-President of MSG, Bob Gutowski, put his foot down when Keenan was begging Neil Smith to trade Leetch to Chicago for Chris Chelios.

George Johnson wrote a tremendous column for ESPN.com, flat-out saying that Keenan could be the reason Iginla and Kiprusoff leave Calgary following next season.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/story?columnist=johnson_george&id=2905184
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Agreed, HB. That was well done. Can Sutter survive if Iron Mike rides everyone too hard, bombs and causes Iginla and Kipper to leave?
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I can't see Sutter and Keenan surviving a mass exodus. Kipper, Iginla and Phaneuf are The Flames. If one or two leave, the entire organization is screwed.

Sam Mills 51 · Jun 17, 2007

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That's my thinking, too. Probably why Johnson was as blunt as he was ... well, that and Keenan's act has long been tired. If we recycled trash as well as the NHL recycles Keenan, Greenpeace would be throwing parties en masse.

hockeybeat · Jun 17, 2007

Re: 2007 NHL awards, draft and off-season running thread

Sam Mills 51 said:

That's my thinking, too. Probably why Johnson was as blunt as he was ... well, that and Keenan's act has long been tired. If we recycled trash as well as the NHL recycles Keenan, Greenpeace would be throwing parties en masse.
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Wayne Gretzky and Mike Gartner are two of the game's great gentlemen. Ask them what they think of Keenan.

Sam Mills 51 · Jun 17, 2007

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If Gretzky's willing to trash Keenan publicly, that says all anyone needs to know ...

Claws for Concern · Jun 17, 2007

Re: 2007 NHL awards, draft and off-season running thread

Gretzky's running a Mickey Mouse organization in Phoenix, so he has no say in the matter.

hockeybeat · Jun 17, 2007

Re: 2007 NHL awards, draft and off-season running thread

Claws,

I'm not sure how the job Gretzky has done in Phoenix is applicable to a discussion of Mike Keenan's treatment of people.

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