Jones/ESPNMAG

On the flip side, beer, you have to allow someone to rip another writer even if you don't like it.

Difference of opinion is all it is.

 

You're right Songbird. Just gets my back up when he starts going after more than the guy's writing. His observations don't bother me. His attitude, yup.

 

Yeah, the e-challenge seemed a bit, how you say, funny.

 

"Ow wow this is cool" about sums up beerfucks original post. If this was another less known writer than "THE Jones" (as si=ome have dubbed him) the thread would have been moved to the Anything Goes board and many people would have been spared many minutes of wasted time discussing this crap of a piece.

Let me also point out two salient points.

1. I have not said anything on this thread that I would not say to someone's face directly (and this is coming from one of the few non anonymous posters on the board).

2. NOBODY has addressed any of the criticisms I have had about the piece. Nobody. Too busy butt kissing Jones and attacking me I guess.

Let me just say that people have said how tough it would be to edit a single word from Hemingway's The Old Man and the Sea - yet most people could edit hundreds of words from Jones piece and yet the blind still call it a masterpiece?

BTW - if you want to see me - I'm easily found.

 

Lets work on reading comprehension, mmmkay?

http://www.sportsjournalists.com/forum/posts/2230312/

 

Already addressed

http://www.sportsjournalists.com/forum/posts/2230695/

Try to keep up

 

70,

I just write over your head. Lots of room.

o-<

 

You may not like Fenian's response. You don't agree with it. But much like your insipid idiocy, you cannot pretend it does not exist. He responded to your criticisms, so it is factually incorrect to say that NOBODY has responded to your criticisms. Fenian gave your arguments more dignity than they deserved.

Try to keep up.

 

Actually PDB - Fenian did not address any of my questions or criticisms. He danced around what he thought Jones was trying to do. You can say he tried to address one of my criticisms and legally speaking I couldn't argue. Yet the purpose of the piece is still basically un-responded to.

 

Why don't you PM Jones directly and ask him, if it's so damn important to you to have the response you seek??

 

The magazine is rubbish by any objective standard. You won't find it at the dentist's office, for good reason. I couldn't even locate the rag at the grocery earlier tonight.

 

Wouldn't the fact that you couldn't find it at the grocery store give more credence to the idea that it's not rubbish? Most grocery stores I've been in are filled with things like Star, The Globe, and The Enquirer. On the other hand, I've never seen The New Yorker or The Economist battling for space with Bat Boy or Cosmo. So would they be rubbish as well? So confusing.

On another note, earlier Chris mentioned that Halberstam had said writing about sports seemed like a demeaning way to use his talents after 9-11. I remember a column he wrote that said something like that, but it's worth noting that three of his final four books were about sports, all published after Sept. 11. The Teammates in 03, The Education of a Coach in 05, and he was working on a book on the 58 title game when he died. I think it's safe to assume he wouldn't have considered writing for ESPN to be prostituting one's skills.