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Indiana student sues over school graduation prayer

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by WaylonJennings, Mar 12, 2010.

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  1. imjustagirl

    imjustagirl Active Member

    In risking giving Junkie more ammo, though he's (imo) going on his own personal behavior more than a strict definition...
    from Merriam-Webster:

    Main Entry: 1prayer
    Pronunciation: \ˈprer\
    Function: noun
    Usage: often attributive
    Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French priere, praiere, preiere, from Medieval Latin precaria, from Latin, feminine of precarius obtained by entreaty, from prec-, prex
    Date: 14th century

    1 a (1) : an address (as a petition) to God or a god in word or thought <said a prayer for the success of the voyage> (2) : a set order of words used in praying b : an earnest request or wish

    So the second definition is an earnest request or wish. But I'm willing to bet that's been a recent change in the students'/school's definition of what they were planning to do in order to keep it in the program once they realized what they were doing was unconstitutional. Trying to avoid the suit.
     
  2. franticscribe

    franticscribe Well-Known Member

    Right IJAG, except judges and courts usually look to the ordinary meaning of a word if the meaning is in dispute and important to the outcome.

    So finding an alternative meaning that isn't the one that is commonly accepted doesn't usually help. And in this case, I don't think it would since most of us take the ordinary meaning of "prayer" to be a prayer to God or gods.

    That said, some judges (i.e. Scalia) will scour multiple dictionaries to find a meaning of a word that suits their needs. So it's possible.
     
  3. franticscribe

    franticscribe Well-Known Member

    I saw a response from Waylon that has since been removed. Among other things, it said Judge Sarah Evans Barker is handling the case. If that's so, I doubt this controversy lasts very long. She's an excellent judge and has a solid history of keeping government from overstepping its bounds when it comes to the First Amendment.
     
  4. bjot

    bjot New Member

    In God We Trust our country was built on it.
     
  5. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Thanks for clarifying that, Yoda. Perhaps you should learn to write in coherent sentences before you chime in on a thread related to education.
     
  6. bjot

    bjot New Member

     
  7. bjot

    bjot New Member

    This is obviously not a thread related to education this is a thread related to politics and religious preference.
     
  8. playthrough

    playthrough Moderator Staff Member

    Obviously. But you're still grammar-challenged.
     
  9. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Well, there is a school graduation involved and keeping religion out of public schools is very much a part of the issue, so there is an element of education involved as well. Comprehension problems and mangled grammar. What a combination!
     
  10. TheSportsPredictor

    TheSportsPredictor Well-Known Member

    Uh, no. That didn't become popular until about 100 years after the country was founded.
     
  11. Baron Scicluna

    Baron Scicluna Well-Known Member

    Don't forget the stealing of land from the Indians and slavery. The country was built on that, too.
     
  12. Ace

    Ace Well-Known Member

    That's not true. The country was not built on slavery. Slavery was more like the drywall and flooring. It helped get the job done after the foundation was laid.
     
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