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Women and the Masters, here we go again

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by vivbernstein, Apr 10, 2011.

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  1. Rhody31

    Rhody31 Well-Known Member

    What law did they violate exactly?
    Was it unfair? Hell yes. But the club has every right to deny her access anywhere they want. It's a private club and they have their rules that guests have to follow.
    This whole thing is being blown out of proportion. Had Sullivan simply found a superior to help her gain the access the needed, everything would have been handled.
    And before you say it, I know she shouldn't have to. But sometimes you have to make up for other people's mistakes. She chose to complain about it instead of finding a solution and forgetting it.
     
  2. Ace

    Ace Well-Known Member

    Find a superior? Good luck with that.

    Someone with a badge and an attitude holds all the cards in a situation like that.
     
  3. tapintoamerica

    tapintoamerica Well-Known Member

    She chose to complain about it instead of finding a solution and forgetting it.
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    So you were there and you know she didn't attempt to find a solution? Please.
     
  4. jr/shotglass

    jr/shotglass Well-Known Member

    Right there is my biggest remaining argument.

    Well-stated.

    And tapin, she might have looked for a solution, but it was in between Tweets about it and becoming an AP wire story.

    At the risk of being dickish.
     
  5. MrHavercamp

    MrHavercamp Member

    I like that Susan and some of her fellow female journalists have come on here to let people know that everything isn't always so simple for them. Men tend to take their access for granted, but unfortunately, women still are viewed by too many in the sports world as having to prove themselves, even after so many of them have done it well for so long. Entrenched ideas -- like women shouldn't be in locker rooms -- will continue until journalists like Tara speak up (loudly) when wronged. It's the only way to let everyone knows this still exists. This crap about her "looking for a solution" is a joke. She shouldn't have to look for anything. I wish she had kept marching right in behind Rory and the men and dared the security guards to stop her.
     
  6. hondo

    hondo Well-Known Member

    1. The Augusta National locker room has been open to women since 1985.
    2. Could have happened anywhere.
    3. See No. 1. The security guards (there was a man and a woman) could have been working their first Masters. They are Pinkertons contracted out to the club. I don't think this has much to do with the culture of the club or the fact that they haven't invited a female member. Female reporters such as Christine Brennan, Melanie Hauser, Helen Ross, etc. have been covering the tournament for years since '85, with no issues.

    Conclusion: Dumb move by dumb rent-a-cop. They do it all the time.
     
  7. hondo

    hondo Well-Known Member

    Actually, there is no federal law that applies here. If the Augusta still wanted to close the locker to women, the club could do. It's their candy store. But they don't close it to women, and haven't for 26 years.
     
  8. MartinonMTV2

    MartinonMTV2 New Member

    I wonder what Christine Brennan will write about this week.

    And yes, Ace, this is a "dickish" comment. If I admit it up front, will you cry less?
     
  9. bigbadeagle

    bigbadeagle Member

    Augusta is not Podunk.
    That's about 45 minutes away, outside of Wrens.
     
  10. Rhody31

    Rhody31 Well-Known Member

    Susan, I am totally behind you on a women's right to be in the locker room to do her job.
    However, if your above story is accurate, that's no one's fault but your own. The guy thought he was being funny. He wasn't, but he had no idea. A glare doesn't say stop. A glare says that gets under my skin but it's not that big of a deal.
    Someone does something you don't want them to do, you tell them right away and it's over.
    I had a guy calling me by the wrong name for a while and didn't feel like correcting him to prevent his own embarassment; after a while, I got pissed about it. Then i realized I let it continue. Now when he calls me the wrong name, he gets corrected and feels like an ass.
     
  11. Susan Slusser

    Susan Slusser Member

    I did do something about it. My point was really more that he'd never have said, "No blacks!" as if it were funny. But it's never funny, or right, to joke about past or present discrimination against any group, especially in a job setting.

    We fought that battle ages and ages ago. So more than anything, I find it bizarre this sort of thing still happens at all.
     
  12. Guy_Incognito

    Guy_Incognito Well-Known Member

    As much as you and others keep trying to equate the two, race and gender are not equivalent, as the Supreme Court has confirmed repeatedly, granting the two different standards of review. If they were the same, we couldn't have separate bathrooms. Can you imagine the Oscars having Best White Actor and Best Black Actor? Sometimes, when it comes to gender, separate but equal is in fact equal and appropriate. Sometimes it's not, and that needs to be addressed, but it's not the same as race.
     
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