Ex-LAPD cop goes to war against colleagues

Armchair_QB · Feb 13, 2013

Inky_Wretch said:

Ready for another conspiracy theory?

Seems there's a police scanner recording of LEOs on the scene saying what kinda, sorta sounds like "burn it down." Of course, the Alex Jones of the world have seized up this as being The Proof of a massive conspiracy against Dorner.
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Anybody who thinks there was any chance they'd take this guy alive is an idiot. If Dorner didn't off himself he was going to die in a firefight whether he wanted to not. And I don't blame the cops one bit.

Inky_Wretch · Feb 13, 2013

Armchair_QB said:

Inky_Wretch said:

Ready for another conspiracy theory?

Seems there's a police scanner recording of LEOs on the scene saying what kinda, sorta sounds like "burn it down." Of course, the Alex Jones of the world have seized up this as being The Proof of a massive conspiracy against Dorner.
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Anybody who thinks there was any chance they'd take this guy alive is an idiot. If Dorner didn't off himself he was going to die in a firefight whether he wanted to not. And I don't blame the cops one bit.
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I just hate how everything these days turns into a conspiracy.

qtlaw · Feb 13, 2013

93Devil said:

heyabbott said:

Care Bear said:

I just read something (and now I cannot recall where) that talked about the increase in police militarization since 9/11. Something like 90 percent of cities with populations 50,000+ have at least one SWAT team.
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every middle school in America needs a SWAT team [/NRA]
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Take a look at fire and rescue budgets post-9/11 and the budget of Homeland Security.

And people wonder why taxes need raised.
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Bingo!!! My cousin was the deputy chief of a major metropolitan fire department and after 9/11 Homeland Security couldn't give away money fast enough. It was like a shopping spree for public agencies; Helicoptor? Boats? Just call it security related.

YankeeFan · Feb 13, 2013

qtlaw said:

Bingo!!! My cousin was the deputy chief of a major metropolitan fire department and after 9/11 Homeland Security couldn't give away money fast enough. It was like a shopping spree for public agencies; Helicoptor? Boats? Just call it security related.
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And lots of Chevy Suburbans that ended up being used by Mayors, Police Chiefs, and Fire Chiefs as their personal car.

I Should Coco · Feb 13, 2013

Boom_70 said:

They should have called in Roy Gage and John Desoto to put out the fire.
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That's quality, Boom.

"Station 51, KMG 365"

heyabbott · Feb 13, 2013

still awaiting Mr. Aldridge's confirmation that California was admitted into the Union

turski7 · Feb 13, 2013

Inky_Wretch said:

Armchair_QB said:

Inky_Wretch said:

Ready for another conspiracy theory?

Seems there's a police scanner recording of LEOs on the scene saying what kinda, sorta sounds like "burn it down." Of course, the Alex Jones of the world have seized up this as being The Proof of a massive conspiracy against Dorner.
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Anybody who thinks there was any chance they'd take this guy alive is an idiot. If Dorner didn't off himself he was going to die in a firefight whether he wanted to not. And I don't blame the cops one bit.
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I just hate how everything these days turns into a conspiracy.
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You mean Dorner didn't use another body, light the fire as a diversion and slip out the back?

YankeeFan · Feb 13, 2013

Anderson Cooper just interviewed a former LAPD cop who "understood" Dorner's "anger".

Anyone else think it's odd how the media wants to sympathize with this guy?

A homicidal maniac blames racism in the Los Angeles Police Department for his killing rampage against cops and civilians and the New York Times responds, “You know, he just may have a point.” On Monday, as fired LAPD cop Christopher Dorner eluded capture for the sixth day after killing a Riverside Police Department officer, the daughter of his departmental defense attorney, and her fiancé, the Times wrapped up three days of observations about racism in the LAPD in response to Dorner’s charge, in a lunatic manifesto, that the department was endemically biased and brutal. (Dorner may have burned to death in a cabin in the San Bernadino mountains after a shootout that killed another law enforcement officer.)

The Times’s lead story in its national news section on Saturday was headlined: SHOOTING SUSPECT’S RACISM ALLEGATIONS RESOUND FOR SOME. Reporter Adam Nagourney opened his story with the LAPD’s denial of Dorner’s charges. “For the Los Angeles Police Department,” wrote Nagourney, Dorner’s accusations are “the words of a delusional man, detached from the reality of the huge improvements the force has undergone over the years.” Nagourney didn’t put the LAPD’s position in irony-signaling scare quotes, but the reader knew what was coming next: after the departmental spin, now the reality. “Yet for whatever changes the department has undergone since the days when it was notorious as an outpost of rampant racism and corruption,” continued Nagourney, “the accusations by the suspect—however disjointed and unhinged—have struck a chord. They are a reminder, many black leaders said, that some problems remain and, no less significant, that memories of abuses and mistreatment remain strong in many parts of this city.”

Nagourney makes no effort to document what those alleged “problems” are. In fact, he provides not one instance of police misconduct. Instead, he simply rounds up the usual suspects, always good for a quote about the long shadow of racism in the LAPD. “It would be naïve and misguided to say that racism in any institution is entirely a thing of the past,” UC Irvine law school dean Erwin Chemerinsky told the Times, after conceding that the department had changed. Nagourney also quotes certain members of the “community,” such as Hodari Sababu, a 56-year-old tour guide: “In your community, the police is there to protect and serve; in my community, the police are there to harass and to insult and to kill if they get a chance.” A 54-year-old bus driver explains: “Black people feel like we’ve been targets for so long, we’ve always felt that the L.A.P.D. was corrupt. So for us, it’s like, O.K., they pushed him over the edge.”

If the Times insists on giving any credence to the charges of a murderous madman—whose manifesto lists, among its “high value targets,” former LAPD chief William Bratton; current chief Charles Beck; their spouses and children; Caucasian, Hispanic, lesbian, and Asian officers; and black LAPD supervisors—here’s what it could have asked with regards to the Dorner case: Is there any evidence that Dorner’s firing was the product of bias? The LAPD fired Dorner in 2009 after a disciplinary panel found that he had falsely accused his training sergeant of kicking a homeless man during an arrest; his credibility, said the board’s chairman, was “damaged beyond repair.” Three witnesses testified that they did not see the sergeant kick the man. If Dorner was fired because of racism, presumably other black officers would have been unfairly treated as well. Where are they? Or did the department’s disciplinary apparatus erupt in bias in just this one case, and if so, why? Dorner had full opportunity to press his case: after his dismissal, he sued the department for wrongful termination. He lost at trial and again on appeal. The idea that bigotry or a lack of integrity tainted each of those fora strains credulity.

http://www.city-journal.org/2013/cjc0212hm.html
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AtticusFinch · Feb 13, 2013

Does the media really want to "sympathize" with the guy?

Or is it just that the LAPD's spotty history raises questions?

Riptide · Feb 13, 2013

Any reason to sympathize with Dorner ended when he killed a cop's daughter to get back at the cop. That was cowardly vengeance all the way.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Dorner was right about his training officer, and that the LAPD covered it up and railroaded Dorner. After all, LAPD has a certain history for that kind of stuff. But for Dorner to execute Quan's daughter and her fiance as his revenge against Quan? ... Man, that is cold-blooded and cowardly to the core.

Armchair_QB · Feb 13, 2013

I"m sure it won't be long before certain people are saying the cops he killed got what they deserved.

Liut · Feb 13, 2013

Riptide said:

Any reason to sympathize with Dorner ended when he killed a cop's daughter to get back at the cop. That was cowardly vengeance all the way.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Dorner was right about his training officer, and that the LAPD covered it up and railroaded Dorner. After all, LAPD has a certain history for that kind of stuff. But for Dorner to execute Quan's daughter and her fiance as his revenge against Quan? ... Man, that is cold-blooded and cowardly to the core.
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