College football 2013 running discussion thread

Songbird · Sep 1, 2013

Is Colorado State going to throw any passes of more than 2 yards?

Songbird · Sep 1, 2013

Mike McIntrye: The man who reinvented San Jose State ... and now possibly Colorado?

exmediahack · Sep 1, 2013

Stunned that Colorado won today.

They were at a "New Mexico 2010/Washington State 2008" level.

albert77 · Sep 1, 2013

BrianGriffin said:

Jake_Taylor said:

Songbird said:

Same theory as NDSU: Northern Iowa is one of the stronger FCS schools so beating Iowa State wouldn't be a big surprise.
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Eastern Washington and Towson are more than solid at that level too, but the difference in scholarship numbers and resources leaves these major conference schools without any excuses for losing to an FCS program. I'm pretty sure there aren't many recruits in that state choosing Northern Iowa if they have a scholarship offer from ISU.
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The FCS has some advantages against lower-tier teams.

1. They are more likely to be able to fill needs with a transfer because FBS transfers who don't want to sit out can go FCS and play immediately.

2. Many FCS schools can take non-qualifiers and let them go part time to gain eligibility under the old Prop 48 model. Most FBS conferences (all?) don't allow this. This allows an FCS school to land a few big-time players.

3. My experience has been in regions where there is a traditionally strong FCS program, some players will choose the chance to win in the FCS over playing for a bad FBS team. But this is usually Sun Belt-Southland or MAC-MVC wars, not MVC-Big 12.

4. Some good FCS teams are somewhat isolated and shielded from having to "pick second" behind major programs in their area. Montana and the Dakota schools are like this. Don't know how much time schools like Minnesota or Wisconsin recruit in the Dakotas, but it's probably not very cost effective for them to use manpower to beat the bushes there. So the Dakota schools probably end up with a handful of recruits every year who should be playing somewhere in the Big 10 or Mountain West, but sort of get lost in the shuffle and end up at a Dakota school. Same thing in Montana.

Now, this doesn't explain how McNeese State is 32 points better than South Florida, who should be able to draw players from two notches up in the pecking order relative to what McNeese can recruit.

And, of course, I'd add that those advantages above should not even begin to add up to the advantages FBS teams have, starting with 22 more scholarships. But if you want it explained how the FCS teams win a fair share of these games every year, those are some of the reasons.
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As you probably know, location does give McNeese a bit of an edge in recruiting. Lake Charles is comparatively isolated, there is a lot of football talent in SW Louisiana, and LSU can't sign all of it. It's also pretty close to the Golden Triangle area of Texas (Port Arthur, Orange, Beaumont), and there is talent galore in that area as well.

MileHigh · Sep 1, 2013

exmediahack said:

Stunned that Colorado won today.

They were at a "New Mexico 2010/Washington State 2008" level.
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Ralphie has been putrid for a long time, but last year was an abortion. Good to see them play decent today.

Armchair_QB · Sep 1, 2013

albert77 said:

BrianGriffin said:

Jake_Taylor said:

Songbird said:

Same theory as NDSU: Northern Iowa is one of the stronger FCS schools so beating Iowa State wouldn't be a big surprise.
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Eastern Washington and Towson are more than solid at that level too, but the difference in scholarship numbers and resources leaves these major conference schools without any excuses for losing to an FCS program. I'm pretty sure there aren't many recruits in that state choosing Northern Iowa if they have a scholarship offer from ISU.
Click to expand...

The FCS has some advantages against lower-tier teams.

1. They are more likely to be able to fill needs with a transfer because FBS transfers who don't want to sit out can go FCS and play immediately.

2. Many FCS schools can take non-qualifiers and let them go part time to gain eligibility under the old Prop 48 model. Most FBS conferences (all?) don't allow this. This allows an FCS school to land a few big-time players.

3. My experience has been in regions where there is a traditionally strong FCS program, some players will choose the chance to win in the FCS over playing for a bad FBS team. But this is usually Sun Belt-Southland or MAC-MVC wars, not MVC-Big 12.

4. Some good FCS teams are somewhat isolated and shielded from having to "pick second" behind major programs in their area. Montana and the Dakota schools are like this. Don't know how much time schools like Minnesota or Wisconsin recruit in the Dakotas, but it's probably not very cost effective for them to use manpower to beat the bushes there. So the Dakota schools probably end up with a handful of recruits every year who should be playing somewhere in the Big 10 or Mountain West, but sort of get lost in the shuffle and end up at a Dakota school. Same thing in Montana.

Now, this doesn't explain how McNeese State is 32 points better than South Florida, who should be able to draw players from two notches up in the pecking order relative to what McNeese can recruit.

And, of course, I'd add that those advantages above should not even begin to add up to the advantages FBS teams have, starting with 22 more scholarships. But if you want it explained how the FCS teams win a fair share of these games every year, those are some of the reasons.
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As you probably know, location does give McNeese a bit of an edge in recruiting. Lake Charles is comparatively isolated, there is a lot of football talent in SW Louisiana, and LSU can't sign all of it. It's also pretty close to the Golden Triangle area of Texas (Port Arthur, Orange, Beaumont), and there is talent galore in that area as well.
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Houston isn't too far away either.

Plus, you can keep a mushroom eligible at that place.

hondo · Sep 1, 2013

Baron Scicluna said:

Mark2010 said:

three_bags_full said:

The people in Clemson's stadium have rushed the field over a three-point win over a team ranked three spots higher -- at home. WTF?
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I don't know why so many people seem shocked that Clemson beat Georgia 38-35. Clemson's a good team, they were at home, they had an entire off-season to prepare. They won by a field goal. Not a shock to me at all.

Says here Clemson goes 11-0 entering the South Carolina game on Nov. 30.
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It has nothing to do with being shocked. It's the fans acting like they pulled off some great big upset when they should be acting like their team has won a game before.
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Maybe being fans of an ACC school hearing continual shit from SEC fans does that to you when you shove one up their ass.

BrianGriffin · Sep 1, 2013

albert77 said:

BrianGriffin said:

Jake_Taylor said:

Songbird said:

Same theory as NDSU: Northern Iowa is one of the stronger FCS schools so beating Iowa State wouldn't be a big surprise.
Click to expand...

Eastern Washington and Towson are more than solid at that level too, but the difference in scholarship numbers and resources leaves these major conference schools without any excuses for losing to an FCS program. I'm pretty sure there aren't many recruits in that state choosing Northern Iowa if they have a scholarship offer from ISU.
Click to expand...

The FCS has some advantages against lower-tier teams.

1. They are more likely to be able to fill needs with a transfer because FBS transfers who don't want to sit out can go FCS and play immediately.

2. Many FCS schools can take non-qualifiers and let them go part time to gain eligibility under the old Prop 48 model. Most FBS conferences (all?) don't allow this. This allows an FCS school to land a few big-time players.

3. My experience has been in regions where there is a traditionally strong FCS program, some players will choose the chance to win in the FCS over playing for a bad FBS team. But this is usually Sun Belt-Southland or MAC-MVC wars, not MVC-Big 12.

4. Some good FCS teams are somewhat isolated and shielded from having to "pick second" behind major programs in their area. Montana and the Dakota schools are like this. Don't know how much time schools like Minnesota or Wisconsin recruit in the Dakotas, but it's probably not very cost effective for them to use manpower to beat the bushes there. So the Dakota schools probably end up with a handful of recruits every year who should be playing somewhere in the Big 10 or Mountain West, but sort of get lost in the shuffle and end up at a Dakota school. Same thing in Montana.

Now, this doesn't explain how McNeese State is 32 points better than South Florida, who should be able to draw players from two notches up in the pecking order relative to what McNeese can recruit.

And, of course, I'd add that those advantages above should not even begin to add up to the advantages FBS teams have, starting with 22 more scholarships. But if you want it explained how the FCS teams win a fair share of these games every year, those are some of the reasons.
Click to expand...

As you probably know, location does give McNeese a bit of an edge in recruiting. Lake Charles is comparatively isolated, there is a lot of football talent in SW Louisiana, and LSU can't sign all of it. It's also pretty close to the Golden Triangle area of Texas (Port Arthur, Orange, Beaumont), and there is talent galore in that area as well.
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Believe me, I know McNeese well. The problem they have is that while their recruiting base is stacked, so is the competition. Everybody recruits south Louisiana now and they have recruited southeast Texas for years. Not just talking the regional schools in the SEC, Big 12, CUSA, SBC, Southland, and SWAC, but also northern and western schools dipping down south to find speed.

Very similar to South Florida's situation, only USF should be able to recruit better based on their place in the pecking order. South Florida is absurdly stacked with talent. It may be the one area in the country that can match the New Orleans-to-Houston stretch.

SockPuppet · Sep 2, 2013

The scholarship caps of 85 (FBS) and 63 (FCS) make less of a difference for the FCS programs, particularly in an opener. Everyone should be healthy and basically it's one team's two-deep against the other team's two-deep. Those extra 22 schollies don't make that much of a difference; used to be that in a tight game the FBS team would eventually be able to wear out and pull away in the 4th Q.

Mark2010 · Sep 2, 2013

DanOregon said:

I think Florida playing Miami was enough when Florida was a perennial top 5 team and so was Miami. But neither are any more. You don't move up in the rankings by beating teams you should. You move up by beating teams thought to be better than you.
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And in a power conference, they'll get ample chances to prove that. It's damn hard to predict how good or poor an opponent will be several years out. So you schedule on geography, rivalries, money and other factors. If Florida was to travel to Boston to play Boston College instead of Miami, would that accomplish anything better?

Mark2010 · Sep 2, 2013

McNeese might be pretty good in the Southland.

South Florida was clearly in a rebuilding mode last year and it may take a few years to get where they hope to be. They SHOULD be able to recruit well enough there in the long haul to be competitive.

Tarheel316 · Sep 2, 2013

LongTimeListener said:

The seven FCS teams who pulled the upsets Saturday pulled in $2.4 million for their efforts.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9624936/seven-fcs-teams-pull-23m-upsets
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Talk about a win-win deal.

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