The Kajieme Powell shooting, on camera

Boom_70 · Aug 23, 2014

Alma said:

old_tony said:

cjericho said:

Alma said:

I don't see this death as a failure of those two cops. I see it as a cumulative failure of three decades of policies -- usually tied to the "war on drugs" or a politician needing to be "tough on crime" -- that may been enacted with good intentions, but have become disasters.

The deceased wasn't a person. He was a "threat." That is, a threat to others, which the police were nominally protecting, by immediately pointing their guns at him, and later a threat to the police themselves.

Would we prefer they put down their guns and risk getting a wound to disarm the guy? Maybe. Would we prefer they get in back in the car and try to talk the guy down? Maybe. But they'd get in more trouble for doing that than they would have doing what they did. And what if they didn't disarm the guy, and a single tooth of that knife grazed, even superficially, the arm of an innocent bystander? That's a million-dollar lawsuit. That's the end of those guys' careers. And what if that knife found its way into a child? That's a national outrage.

It's fine mess, that we're into.
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Agree the war on drugs is nowhere near a success. If that's the case, how will a war on guns (making guns illegal) solve the gun problem.
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How has the War on Poverty worked out?
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It was junked in the 1980s for the broad agenda of the folks who worked under Reagan.
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Bill Clinton ended welfare as we know it by signing into law The Personal
Responsibility and Work Opportunity act.

Dick Whitman · Aug 24, 2014

old_tony said:

cjericho said:

Alma said:

I don't see this death as a failure of those two cops. I see it as a cumulative failure of three decades of policies -- usually tied to the "war on drugs" or a politician needing to be "tough on crime" -- that may been enacted with good intentions, but have become disasters.

The deceased wasn't a person. He was a "threat." That is, a threat to others, which the police were nominally protecting, by immediately pointing their guns at him, and later a threat to the police themselves.

Would we prefer they put down their guns and risk getting a wound to disarm the guy? Maybe. Would we prefer they get in back in the car and try to talk the guy down? Maybe. But they'd get in more trouble for doing that than they would have doing what they did. And what if they didn't disarm the guy, and a single tooth of that knife grazed, even superficially, the arm of an innocent bystander? That's a million-dollar lawsuit. That's the end of those guys' careers. And what if that knife found its way into a child? That's a national outrage.

It's fine mess, that we're into.
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Agree the war on drugs is nowhere near a success. If that's the case, how will a war on guns (making guns illegal) solve the gun problem.
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How has the War on Poverty worked out?
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Remarkably for the elderly.

BTExpress · Aug 24, 2014

Remarkably for the elderly.
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Good point that is often forgotten because we're too worried about whether that unskilled 18-year-old with a whole lifetime of opportunities ahead of him is getting a "fair wage" for his part-time gig.

Dick Whitman · Aug 24, 2014

Alma said:

I don't see this death as a failure of those two cops. I see it as a cumulative failure of three decades of policies -- usually tied to the "war on drugs" or a politician needing to be "tough on crime" -- that may been enacted with good intentions, but have become disasters.

The deceased wasn't a person. He was a "threat." That is, a threat to others, which the police were nominally protecting, by immediately pointing their guns at him, and later a threat to the police themselves.

Would we prefer they put down their guns and risk getting a wound to disarm the guy? Maybe. Would we prefer they get in back in the car and try to talk the guy down? Maybe. But they'd get in more trouble for doing that than they would have doing what they did. And what if they didn't disarm the guy, and a single tooth of that knife grazed, even superficially, the arm of an innocent bystander? That's a million-dollar lawsuit. That's the end of those guys' careers. And what if that knife found its way into a child? That's a national outrage.

It's fine mess, that we're into.
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Poor people aren't people.

That's how we basically look at it now in America.

And poor people with so much as a speeding ticket on their record REALLY aren't people.

Alma · Aug 24, 2014

Dick Whitman said:

Alma said:

I don't see this death as a failure of those two cops. I see it as a cumulative failure of three decades of policies -- usually tied to the "war on drugs" or a politician needing to be "tough on crime" -- that may been enacted with good intentions, but have become disasters.

The deceased wasn't a person. He was a "threat." That is, a threat to others, which the police were nominally protecting, by immediately pointing their guns at him, and later a threat to the police themselves.

Would we prefer they put down their guns and risk getting a wound to disarm the guy? Maybe. Would we prefer they get in back in the car and try to talk the guy down? Maybe. But they'd get in more trouble for doing that than they would have doing what they did. And what if they didn't disarm the guy, and a single tooth of that knife grazed, even superficially, the arm of an innocent bystander? That's a million-dollar lawsuit. That's the end of those guys' careers. And what if that knife found its way into a child? That's a national outrage.

It's fine mess, that we're into.
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Poor people aren't people.

That's how we basically look at it now in America.

And poor people with so much as a speeding ticket on their record REALLY aren't people.
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That's not how everybody looks at it.

But it saddens me that far too many Christians do.

BenPoquette · Aug 24, 2014

Alma said:

Dick Whitman said:

Alma said:

I don't see this death as a failure of those two cops. I see it as a cumulative failure of three decades of policies -- usually tied to the "war on drugs" or a politician needing to be "tough on crime" -- that may been enacted with good intentions, but have become disasters.

The deceased wasn't a person. He was a "threat." That is, a threat to others, which the police were nominally protecting, by immediately pointing their guns at him, and later a threat to the police themselves.

Would we prefer they put down their guns and risk getting a wound to disarm the guy? Maybe. Would we prefer they get in back in the car and try to talk the guy down? Maybe. But they'd get in more trouble for doing that than they would have doing what they did. And what if they didn't disarm the guy, and a single tooth of that knife grazed, even superficially, the arm of an innocent bystander? That's a million-dollar lawsuit. That's the end of those guys' careers. And what if that knife found its way into a child? That's a national outrage.

It's fine mess, that we're into.
Click to expand...

Poor people aren't people.

That's how we basically look at it now in America.

And poor people with so much as a speeding ticket on their record REALLY aren't people.
Click to expand...

That's not how everybody looks at it.

But it saddens me that far too many Christians do.
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Alma, WTF has gotten into you? This is the second post ON THIS PAGE I completely agree with. Something is off. There is a disturbance in the atmosphere.

tapintoamerica · Aug 27, 2014

Alma said:

Dick Whitman said:

Alma said:

I don't see this death as a failure of those two cops. I see it as a cumulative failure of three decades of policies -- usually tied to the "war on drugs" or a politician needing to be "tough on crime" -- that may been enacted with good intentions, but have become disasters.

The deceased wasn't a person. He was a "threat." That is, a threat to others, which the police were nominally protecting, by immediately pointing their guns at him, and later a threat to the police themselves.

Would we prefer they put down their guns and risk getting a wound to disarm the guy? Maybe. Would we prefer they get in back in the car and try to talk the guy down? Maybe. But they'd get in more trouble for doing that than they would have doing what they did. And what if they didn't disarm the guy, and a single tooth of that knife grazed, even superficially, the arm of an innocent bystander? That's a million-dollar lawsuit. That's the end of those guys' careers. And what if that knife found its way into a child? That's a national outrage.

It's fine mess, that we're into.
Click to expand...

Poor people aren't people.

That's how we basically look at it now in America.

And poor people with so much as a speeding ticket on their record REALLY aren't people.
Click to expand...

That's not how everybody looks at it.

But it saddens me that far too many Christians do.
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Indeed, it was at last fall's Values Voter Summit, I believe, where there were exactly zero panel discussions about poverty or income inequality, etc., but there was one on The War On Football.

YankeeFan · Aug 19, 2015

Dick Whitman said: ↑

This time, we can make our own judgment:

Cell Phone Video Emerges That Refutes St. Louis Cops Version of Shooting
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St. Louis cops kill an 18-year-old on the anniversary of the Powell killing:

Police shot and killed a suspect in north St. Louis at around 11:30am Wednesday. They say the suspect, 18-year-old Mansur Ball-Bey pointed a gun at them during a chase. About 200 demonstrators gathered to protest the officer involved shooting.

Chief Sam Dotson says two young armed male suspects ran out of the back of a home near the intersection of Page and Walton in north St. Louis on Wednesday. Two police officers executing a search warrant chased the suspects running from the home.

Officers told the suspects to drop their weapons. Police say one of the suspects raised his gun and pointed it at officers. One of the officers then shot at the suspects. The other officer then fired three more shots. The injured man in his 20’s continued running until he collapsed. Police say the other suspect got away.

A stolen gun from Rolla, MO was recovered near the suspect’s body.

Police shoot and kill suspect in north St. Louis

RonClements · Aug 20, 2015

The shoot-first mentality of police has to change. It's an epidemic and cops are getting away with murder. I support police in almost every matter, but on this, there is just no justification when there is absolutely zero attempt to disarm and apprehend. It's shoot to kill, and then we'll put the dead guy in handcuffs just to make ourselves feel better.

RonClements · Aug 20, 2015

YankeeFan said: ↑

St. Louis cops kill an 18-year-old on the anniversary of the Powell killing:

Police shot and killed a suspect in north St. Louis at around 11:30am Wednesday. They say the suspect, 18-year-old Mansur Ball-Bey pointed a gun at them during a chase. About 200 demonstrators gathered to protest the officer involved shooting.

Chief Sam Dotson says two young armed male suspects ran out of the back of a home near the intersection of Page and Walton in north St. Louis on Wednesday. Two police officers executing a search warrant chased the suspects running from the home.

Officers told the suspects to drop their weapons. Police say one of the suspects raised his gun and pointed it at officers. One of the officers then shot at the suspects. The other officer then fired three more shots. The injured man in his 20’s continued running until he collapsed. Police say the other suspect got away.

A stolen gun from Rolla, MO was recovered near the suspect’s body.

Police shoot and kill suspect in north St. Louis
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The so-called protestors who are rioting against that latest shooting are idiots. Shoot at police and they will return fire, as they should.

Chef2 · Aug 20, 2015

They say the suspect, 18-year-old Mansur Ball-Bey pointed a gun at them during a chase. About 200 demonstrators gathered to protest the officer involved shooting.

What in the world are they protesting?....... Good neighborhood or Beverly freaking Hills. Doesn't matter. Point a gun at a cop, and get ready to get blown to bits.

YankeeFan · Aug 21, 2015

Shot in the back:

A black man killed in a shooting by St. Louis police Wednesday died from a gunshot wound in the back, the city's police department said Friday, citing an autopsy.

Police have said that Mansur Ball-Bey, 18, pointed a gun at them before officers opened fire -- an account disputed by his family's attorney. Chief of Police Sam Dotson said that the wound's location doesn't confirm or disprove the officers' account that Ball-Bey pointed a gun, according to a report Friday by the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

"Just because he was shot in the back doesn't mean he was running away," Dotson said, according to the Post-Dispatch. "It could be, and I'm not saying that it doesn't mean that. I just don't know yet."

St. Louis shooting: Teen was shot in back - CNN.com

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