Supreme Court rules in favor of gay marriage

[Starman]

Who was president the last time you were happy? Ford?

Kennedy.

 

[old_tony]

Honest question Tony, how does having two men being married to each other change your life? How do two women being married affect your faith? I think it is clear how your religious views can affect those that don't share them so I would think you are the one pushing your faith onto others.

It forces me to live in a society that now sanctions something that my religious beliefs tell me is a sin. There never was a law before sanctioning sin as "normal." Now there is. Abortion -- a heinous sin -- has wrongly been considered legal now for 40-plus years but it isn't considered "normal" by society. In fact, most who partake in that at least have a sense of shame and try to keep private what they've done.

Just because more people do something doesn't turn something that was wrong into something that is right. As more and more murders occur should we decide that murder is OK? Apparently Kagen, Sotomayor, Bader Ginsberg, Kennedy and Breyer would.

 

[old_tony]

I'll start by saying this is a tough issue. I'll also say that old_tony is not the only one against this ruling, and raise my hand. I'm willing to bet there are others, too, who won't do so because it wouldn't be politically correct, or the nice thing to do.

Beyond faith-based reasons, though, I think there is a general issue that's being confronted about a lot of things, and that that is part of the problem. That is, people seem to not have much problem with anything anymore. Or else they say, too easily, that they don't. That, in my opinion, is a problem.

A person's stance against same-sex marriage may not have much actual impact on their life. Heck, I suspect that's what drives a lot of people's stance for it. They do not know, interact with, or deal closely with many who live that lifestyle, and so, basically, who cares, right? It doesn't make any difference to me so...it doesn't make any difference to me.

But a person still doesn't have to like this. It can be that they just don't, and that that influences their beliefs.

I'll use myself as an example. I am Christian but I'm not sure my disdain for this ruling even comes from that, really. I just know that I struggle with seeing men kiss men and women kiss women in any more than a peck-on-the-cheek way. I don't like it. It bothers me, and I can't give any reason other than the fact that it just seems wrong. It just does, in much the same way has polygamy or bestiality (which, I noticed, people have not addressed).

To me, it's just...wrong, and the fact that anybody, or everybody, else does not think the same way doesn't change anything. And being against one thing doesn't necessarily mean I am against something else, i.e. outofplace's argument that being against same-sex marriage means I have to be against voting for women.

It's just not so. People really can have one opinion about something, and also have another opinion about another thing. Not everything necessarily means the same thing to a person, or moves them as much, or as much in the same direction. It just doesn't.

Well said. It's not just that we believe it's wrong, it's that the other side believes they can accuse us of being horrible people for following our beliefs. And that's always a one-way street.

 

[bigpern23]

A person's stance against same-sex marriage may not have much actual impact on their life. Heck, I suspect that's what drives a lot of people's stance for it. They do not know, interact with, or deal closely with many who live that lifestyle, and so, basically, who cares, right? It doesn't make any difference to me so...it doesn't make any difference to me.

Wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, forking totally and completely forking wrong.

 

[Mr. Sunshine]

It's all about love, you forking Neanderthals!

 

[Starman]

Ask The Nearest Hippie.

 

[BDC99]

I'm not celebrating anybody being put out of business. You made that up. Please don't lump everybody who disagrees with you into one homogeneous group. There are far too many of us to all feel the same way about everything.

It's what he does. (See below).

the other side believes they can accuse us of being horrible people for following our beliefs. .

This is utter bullshirt. You sure do put ideas in other people's heads a lot for someone who doesn't want anything pushed on him.

 

[heyabbott]

Romans 13:10. Learn it Live it. Love it.
Second, all of you who oppose gay marriage, or anything else, based on religious beliefs, tough shirt. Really. Tough forking shirt. Live your life. But your stupid, irrational superstition of made up crap is not a significant reason to prevent, prohibit or make anyone uncomfortable about doing anything. Since this is predominately a Christian country let me say it's full of shirt. If the underlying message is love thy neighbor, you all have totally forked that message up. Not be gay, don't have an abortion, don't charge interest, obey your made up bible translated so many times that you have no idea what was originally written by politicians 2000 years ago. Keep your hocus pocus nonsense away from rational discourse

 

[BitterYoungMatador2]

It forces me to live in a society that now sanctions something that my religious beliefs tell me is a sin. There never was a law before sanctioning sin as "normal." Now there is. Abortion -- a heinous sin -- has wrongly been considered legal now for 40-plus years but it isn't considered "normal" by society. In fact, most who partake in that at least have a sense of shame and try to keep private what they've done.

Just because more people do something doesn't turn something that was wrong into something that is right. As more and more murders occur should we decide that murder is OK? Apparently Kagen, Sotomayor, Bader Ginsberg, Kennedy and Breyer would.

Well-worded reply, but this still doesn't answer the question of how it CHANGES your life. Will you go out to your car tomorrow and see two men butt forking on the hood? I'm guessing no. Will you walk out to get your mail tomorrow and have to see two women 69ing by the mailbox? Again, I'm guessing no. Will the NFL halftime show now show highlights of the games from around the league and then footage of one guy sucking another man's cork... sponsored by Mike's Hard Lemonade!.....NO. The simple truth is it doesn't affect you, or me, or anyone. I don't like that churches that change and shape public policy don't have to pay taxes, but it that has no bearing on me directly. Same applies here.

 

[jr/shotglass]

Ask The Nearest Hippie.

And in case you can't find a hippie:

Justice Scalia suggests asking a hippie about gay marriage. Here's how to find one near you - The Washington Post

 

[outofplace]

It forces me to live in a society that now sanctions something that my religious beliefs tell me is a sin. There never was a law before sanctioning sin as "normal." Now there is. Abortion -- a heinous sin -- has wrongly been considered legal now for 40-plus years but it isn't considered "normal" by society. In fact, most who partake in that at least have a sense of shame and try to keep private what they've done.

Just because more people do something doesn't turn something that was wrong into something that is right. As more and more murders occur should we decide that murder is OK? Apparently Kagen, Sotomayor, Bader Ginsberg, Kennedy and Breyer would.

No, it doesn't force you to live in that society. You are allowed to leave any time you like.

And that entire post is you applying your faith to others. Sorry, but that doesn't fly in this country.

 

[heyabbott]

You know, I'm not that comfortable with Heterosexual public displays of affections, but I don't think if you participate in that sort of behavior you're going to end up in eternal damnation. And sure as shirt i don't want a law to prevent that.