Even The Wolf likely can't clean up Harvey Weinstein's pending troubles

I don't see why it should be career-ending if you believe the woman.

 

Because of these two paragraphs:

Ansari also physically pulled her hand towards his penis multiple times throughout the night, from the time he first kissed her on the countertop onward. “He probably moved my hand to his dick five to seven times,” she said. “He really kept doing it after I moved it away.”

But the main thing was that he wouldn’t let her move away from him. She compared the path they cut across his apartment to a football play. “It was 30 minutes of me getting up and moving and him following and sticking his fingers down my throat again. It was really repetitive. It felt like a fucking game.”

 

I agree that a dangerous and harmful flaw of the #MeToo movement is recklessness in accusation coupled with a lack of due process. The Internet is a double-edge sword. The hashtag even suggests the flaw. It prompts women that to be part of this movement (admiral group of aggrieved women) they should tell their own story. I'm sure there are those who feel they need a story for street cred.

 

Not only pulled by physically pulled!

He probably did, or did he?

Totally the main thing ... because sucking dick and eating pussy aren't the main thing.

Wheel route out of the T formation? Single-wing with 2 tight ends?

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This isn't a I don't believe her thing. I just pay little credence (right now) to the way you're presenting slivers of a poorly written and researched and fact-checked story.

 

Spider 2 Y (don't you want to touch my) Banana?

 

They call that tactic "The Darren Sharper Stratagem."

 

We definitely know the Steelers defense wasn't covering her.

 

Bad dating practices?Absolutely. Assaultive behavior is present as an academic expertise. But If someone, anyone, including Charlize Theron and Gal Gadot, together, tired to put their fingers down my throat, once, I am out of the building, choking on my food or I like it. There’s not a 4th option called “staying”. Leave and tell your friends that this guy is a pig and a bad date. But does he deserve to have his life fucked upto this degree?

Not a condition of employment and not a workplace issue, therefore not sexual harassment.

 

What on earth are you talking about here? Sometimes your willingness to go SO MUCH IN on one side to argue your position, distorting facts until they almost don't mean anything anymore, drives me bonkers.

There is barely any "reporting" in this piece at all. It's a 3,000-word, one source, as-told-to essay backed by some totally vague texts. About one encounter. From one POV. Who gets to remain anonymous. And the subject who is essentially accused of sexual assault got 20 hours to respond. Less that a day.

The Louis CK piece in the Times (which we both agree was still problematic) was the product of an extensive reporting effort by some of the best reporters in the business, reporters who finally nailed it down WITH MULTIPLE PEOPLE ON THE RECORD, even though people had been trying (and failing) to nail down for years. Gakwer even tried to run rumors about Louis CK and couldn't get a first person account. Gawker! They begged someone to bash Louis CK anonymously and no one stepped forward!

Talking to one person and reading their text messages is not "reporting." Nor does it "blows the reporting in the Louis C.K. piece in the New York Times away."

One of the reasons the Weinstein stuff finally came out is that Megan Twohey, Jodi Kantor and Nicolas Kristof convinced Judd to GO ON THE RECORD with what happened to her. As I said at the time, I think that's what gave the Times the guts to run the piece, knowing they might get sued anyway. On the record account from a big name. They convinced her it was important. That's reporting. That's the hard, miserable, essential work of being a good journalist. And that's a big reason why people are annoyed with this Ansari piece. It wasn't just that it ran on a website Babe, that few people had every heard of. It's that one person's account does not at all measure up to the gravity of what the Times did, and what Ronan Farrow did.

The Times letting one woman remain anonymous in her allegation that she consented to letting Louis CK jerk of front of her, but then later questioned his behavior, that's what we agree was bullshit and wasn't necessary in the article. That's what muddied that story badly. (How does one give consent, and then years later withdraw it?) The fact that the two comedians in the lead "felt" like it cost them opportunities in the business, and there was a lot of vague "feelings" that they needed to keep quiet was also problematic. But again, FOUR WOMEN WENT ON THE RECORD in a story that people had been chasing for a decade.

To compare them, and suggest the Babe story was not only good but a superior work of reporting simply because there were some problems with the Louis CK piece (some of which were cleaned up by his full confession, in my opinion), is utterly ridiculous.

 

Who cares if it was "by two of the best reporters in the business"? I don't care if it was Woodward and Bernstein. They did a hack job on the Louis C.K. story. It was problematic that the lead women were not asked whether they had consented. It was the core question of the piece, and they didn't ask the question. But off the victory tour they went.

The Babe reporter drove the source for those kind of details. It is a lurid, detailed account of a sexual encounter.

It's also not a one-source story. She corroborated it with Grace's roommate and another friend.

Grace’s roommate, who babe has spoken to, didn’t see or talk to Grace until the morning after. The roommate asked how it went right away. “She said, ‘it was awful. It didn’t feel good at all.’” Grace filled her roommate in on the details later. “I guess it ended up getting really fucking weird, really fucking quick,” the roommate said. “She was really shaken up about it.”

Another friend, who Grace texted on the way home from Ansari’s apartment and spoke to the day after on the phone, told babe she was “so upset.”

 

Blows away the reporting.

 

Yes.