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President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Nov 12, 2016.

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  1. Smallpotatoes

    Smallpotatoes Well-Known Member

    How so?
     
  2. Twirling Time

    Twirling Time Well-Known Member

    [​IMG] Separated at birth ...

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  3. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    No baby can be aborted by definition. You only believe that because white men in power convinced you to as a way of controlling you. It worked.
     
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  4. Smallpotatoes

    Smallpotatoes Well-Known Member

  5. melock

    melock Well-Known Member



    The Huckster lied. Drink!
     
  6. DanielSimpsonDay

    DanielSimpsonDay Well-Known Member

     
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  7. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Couple quick thoughts on this NYT OpEd.

    - Of course this was "shaped" by "an adult." Like a parent. Or a teacher. Or other interested parties in the gun reform movement.

    - It was also "shaped" by an editor at the New York Times Opinion section. Presumably an adult.

    - We also know that most OpEd pieces "written" by politicians and statesmen are actually written by speechwriters and assistants. We still argue those pieces on the merits of their arguments, not on the level of their "polish" or the collaborative nature of their construction.

    - We know too that a 'movement' is by definition more than a single person. A movement has grown up around the shooting at this school. Some of it authentic, some of it opportunistic. As has been the case with every protest movement in history.
     
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  8. DanielSimpsonDay

    DanielSimpsonDay Well-Known Member

  9. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    He doesn't believe it. He just cares more about political laundry than honesty.
     
  10. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    This entire post is a dodge. If Rick's post is correct, the good guy with a gun narrative takes a big hit on this one. You immediately tried to turn the discussion away from that to other aspects of the post.
     
  11. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    The second amendment is not an individual right to own a gun. It's ludicrous. They didn't come up with a document guaranteeing age of enlightenment ideals, such as freedom of speech, the right to worship religion freely, the right to protest your government, protections against unreasonable search and seizure, right to a speedy trial, etc. ... and along with that, think "Oh, yeah, individuals need a right to own weapons."

    The fact that we even have this discussion (which is a relatively recent advent) about the 2nd amendment guaranteeing unregulated gun ownership shows just how much a fringe group has redefined the constitution. And, in fact, the Supreme Court consistently ruled the opposite (to the extent it even had to touch it, because it wasn't even a thought for the most part). ... until 2008 by which time the NRA had thoroughly hijacked the national discussion and redefined the Constitution.

    The second amendment is one sentence and is focused on states being able to raise militias. It was put into the bill of rights at a time that people feared too strong of a federal government, and they wanted states to have a broad right to protect the people in lieu of a strong centralized government. The founders of the country had seen the mob violence that followed the American revolution, and fearing a weak central government, they wanted the states to have the power to raise militias if necessary. It's that simple

    It was so self explanatory that for two centuries, the 2nd amendment was largely ignored.

    Yet now, we somehow have this conversation like the 2nd Amendment guarantees a right for people to arm themselves with semi-automatic weapons. It's pure revisionism, even if it has been fraudulently made the norm.

    The 2nd Amendment was never meant to give every individual this broad right to own deadly weapons that the people who wrote it never even conceived of. It wasn't even meant to give every individual a universal right to own a musket. But given that somehow that is what the 2nd Amendment has been idiotically made into in a revisionist way. ... Why wouldn't we repeal it to end that idiocy? We have the mechanism in place, even if it is difficult.
     
  12. QYFW

    QYFW Well-Known Member

    Haha. As if I would waste energy trying to convince spud of anything. Guy makes for great entertainment, though.
     
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