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Funny how your boy Ted claims to be all-knowing about the Constitution until the discussion of such knowledge would hurt your boy Trump.

 

Drink!

 

Here's everything the Constitution has to say on the president's pardon power:

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

It's a very broad power, and has one exception listed, which is the case of impeachment, not in the case of pardoning himself.

At the very least, it's an open question. The people who say he can't pardon himself don't cite a constitutional reason why he can't.

Read this.

Here is what 11 experts say about whether President Trump can pardon himself

A couple of partisans day he can't pardon himself, but they say things like a court would never uphold a president's power to commit crimes and then pardon himself for them.

Well, ok, if that's true, tell me why a court wouldn't uphold it.

Or, they make arguments for why he shouldn't. Which is fine, but that's a different argument.

The constitution granting him these powers, and not limiting them, is a pretty good basis for saying he could pardon himself.

For those who say he can't, make the argument. Not an emotional argument. Not an argument for why he shouldn't. Not an argument that he would get impeached if he did.

What's the argument against the president having the power to pardon himself?

 

He claims that? Link?

 

You're missing the entire point people are making, that it isn't just about whether or not he can do it. It's a matter of whether or not he should do it.

Also, please actually acknowledge that it was ridiculous of you to use a paranoid article from a conservative news outlet to support your claim. It sure looks like you saw Clinton's name on it and assumed it was going to be liberals claiming it would be okay for Obama to pardon Clinton if she had won and faced further legal troubles. You've got a history of doing stuff like that, not even bothering to read the stuff you link on here or maybe just hoping nobody here would bother.

Also, I'm still waiting for you to acknowledge your error on the Newsweek headline or on the kneeling thread.

 

Here’s everything the constitution says about birth control:

 

Lulz

 

1. financial markets: is it real, or is it smoke and mirrors (ask Ragu)?
2. courts system: we lead the world in incarcerations (almost as many as China and Russia COMBINED), with blacks regularly given much harsher sentences than whites for the same (or lesser) offenses. And that's for the blacks that actually go to trial and aren't, you know, just shot for carrying a cell phone.

Can you really say no other nation can top ours?

 

Marbury v. Madison. The president is not the last word on constitutionality. Do we really have to rehash Watergate and Nixon, really?

Think about your position, how far do you have to go to even get to the point you are willing to consider this. Let's say its even constitutional, do you want to support a President that is willing to commit any crime because he has the power to pardon himself. For me, the answer is no.

 

We need to starve millions of our citizens right quick so we can catch up with those fucktard Russkie bastards.

 

I'm not saying they are perfect. Financial markets? I'm a economist and while the US market has a potential for being smoke and mirrors, it has the most $$ and fundamentally people show reliability with their $$.

Court system, yes we lead the world in incarcerations, but I'm talking about the fundamental system. We are guaranteed a right to a trial by jury, no one else in the world provides this fundamental right, nor the right to a lawyer.

 

There's a lot of Le Petomane in Trump and his White House operations ...