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President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Nov 12, 2016.

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  1. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    Odd. I'm not seeing that anywhere legit right now.
     
    Inky_Wretch, Oct 24, 2018
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  2. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    What makes a package a "suspicious" package? Return address label that says "ACME Bomb Co."?

    And what are the telltale signs of a "potentially explosive" device?
     
    BTExpress, Oct 24, 2018
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  3. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    If you polled everyone on this board, a decent percentage would have parents or grandparents or great grandparents that came from somewhere else. Usually a place where things kind of sucked, so they came here looking for a better life. We (their decedents) were born here, and reap the benefit of being American. ... because they came here. It's amazing how many people from those circumstances now have so much hate for foreigners who want to come here.

    When your grandparents came here, they probably weren't welcomed with open arms. There was xenophobia, racism, etc. They also, by and large were willing to do the kinds of jobs a lot of Americans weren't willing to, to earn a buck. And societally, they were vital, because the country always needs cleaners, child care workers, laborers, lettuce pickers, people willing to go down in caissons and risk the bends to build bridges, etc.

    When I see these people from central America making their way toward here, I think a few things. 1) I don't know how anyone can't feel compassion for people coming from a place so crummy that they will displace their lives, deal with uncertainty and try to come to a foreign place where they may have a better life.

    2) I see people who will do vital jobs (if we just let them, and didn't overregulate the world and price the market for their labor) that most Americans hold their noses up at. The wages may be shitty, but it gives them a better life than the one they fled, so they are eager to work, and nobody stays on the lowest rung in the labor market permanently. It's always a stepping stone, first for the person getting their bearings in a new country, but then if history is a guide, for future generations of their offspring, who see upward mobility.

    3) For the life of me, I don't know why people are so threatened. America is a nation of immigrants. For me? The more the merrier. If you really want a meritocracy, let's expand immigration and create a playing field where anyone who is smart and is willing to work can succeed. Those who aren't motivated, won't succeed. As for the terrorism threat, it's so overblown. We are going to have people commit random acts of violence. It's not new. We have no idea from whom, why or when they will come. If you look at our country, the random violence is usually an American with a gun, not a foreigner. Regardless, the government can't put a giant wall around the country, cut us off from the rest of the world, and protect everyone all the time. Their attempts to do that just make our lives worse. It's not worth sacrificing your personal freedom for attempts at security that don't work anyhow. Also, we benefit from a global economy. A lot of people need to stop being so stupid, and just start living their lives without needing to demonize others. The dumb hateful rhetoric we have gotten translates into an America that makes us all worse off.
     
    The Big Ragu, Oct 24, 2018
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  4. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

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  5. OscarMadison

    OscarMadison Well-Known Member

    Serial post and I apologise for it. I was late to the conversation about harassing lawmakers but am finding it hard to hold my tongue, even when the latest references are in jest.

    Last week I came back from doing fieldwork and told a family member I wished McConnell, Trump, Ryan, and the whole damned retinue of scoundrels had to spend one day inhabiting my body. Just one day with pain that will not go away, one day with the idea that time is precious, one day knowing that I can fight this but it's a battle for miles that pays off in inches. And then I thought about what I said and felt terrible about it. I am my parents' daughter and will never be anything but a pacifist.

    I bring it up because I am so angry. Driving to rural Kentucky and seeing people who have not eaten decent meat for weeks, whose houses are held together with tarps and duct tape, who have not seen a doctor since second Bush administration, who are given no hope makes me feel the kind of rage I haven't felt in a long time. The only thing I can do to even make a dent in this mess is continue to try to help people. I also volunteer for campaigns and try to keep communication between friends and family open regardless of what they do at the polls.

    Oh my gosh. Mitch McConnell got his feelings hurt by people in Kentucky. He's like many of the politicians and lobbyists I've been around over the years, he's terrified of anyone who isn't a part of his very special circle. Same goes for Sarah Huckabee and anyone else whose sensibilities were offended lately.

    Their dinners were disturbed? Really?

    They had dinner to eat. They can get clothing that is comfortable and seasonally appropriate to wear. They have homes that are secure against the weather. They are reasonably sure their vehicles will start and get them to where they need to go.

    And somehow I am expected to be judgmental because it's not the best way to get the message across?

    Fuck me for being an emotion-driven snowflake who sees what the trash in office do to the people of Kentucky (and everywhere else) and is not particularly bothered that some rich white asshole didn't get to finish her nachos.
     
    OscarMadison, Oct 24, 2018
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  6. garrow

    garrow Well-Known Member

    Halloween (1978) - IMDb
     
    garrow, Oct 24, 2018
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  7. cyclingwriter2

    cyclingwriter2 Well-Known Member

    Spoiler alert: in the second term, it turns out that trump and Clinton are siblings.
     
    cyclingwriter2, Oct 24, 2018
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  8. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    'Proud Boys' in NYC.

    Alt-right?

    White Supremacist?

    Nationalist?

    Neo-Nazi?


     
    Azrael, Oct 24, 2018
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  9. DanOregon

    DanOregon Well-Known Member

    A) a suspicious package is likely one that looks random. Plain brown wrapper, no return address, perhaps a scan indicates electric wiring.

    B) I do think generally Republicans don't seem to be able to relate to/fully appreciate an issue unless it enters their world. More than a few GOP politicians have rethought their positions on gay marriage when a son, daughter or niece or nephew comes out, drug addiction when it impacts a member of their family, military action when a family member is killed. I don't know where screaming at them fits in, but Jeff Flake certainly was impacted when confronted by assault survivors during the Kavanaugh hearings.
     
    DanOregon, Oct 24, 2018
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  10. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

     
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  11. melock

    melock Well-Known Member

    There were people on TV saying it, too. Get it right. Not first.
     
    melock, Oct 24, 2018
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  12. poindexter

    poindexter Well-Known Member

    You mean Breaking News Feed twitter @pzf, was wrong??
     
    poindexter, Oct 24, 2018
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