President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

I have no faith something like this can't or won't happen again. Being smart and qualified is a huge FU to a lot of the electorate. I don't see that changing.

 

Not to forget this golden oldie.

 

FNC needs to create a version of "Moneyline" for Dobbs. He has way the hell too much time on his hands. And, if Wolf Blitzer can do two shows ...

 

Trump cheats at golf umbrellas?

 

I've often wondered how the immigration issue became a personal crusade of his going back to his days at CNN. Was there a personal story, someone he knew getting killed or losing a job because of an illegal immigrant? If so, womp, womp.

 

Wish the circumstance were different, but nice to see you post again.

 

I chose what? I already told you I didn't vote for the guy. I suppose I need to have saved a copy of ballot to prove it.
Kiss off. I thought you were somewhat of a class act. I was wrong.

 

Can we please re-open the Pittsburgh shooting thread? The kinder, gentler me tries to be supportive of moderator decisions these days, but that should be open. We need to do a better job of keeping the politics here, and I include myself among those who didn't do that well enough today, but that discussion should continue.

Edit: I'm taking the rest to PM. I know I'm in a pissed-off place right now, so I'm trying not to overdo it.

 

Let’s be crystal clear (pun intended). Trump felt the election was slipping away, so he decided to demonize a bunch of people from Central America looking for a better life. When that didn’t get enough traction, he simply lied and said that there were members of MS-13, criminals, Middle Easterners and then that they were funded by Soros (meaning a Jew). This throwing shit against the wall finally got the crazies riled up and one of them committed the deadliest act of anti-Semetic violence in the history of this country. The days after the greatest attempted mass killing of political opponents in the history of this country.

Don’t give me your thoughts and prayers. Either hold him accountable or shut the fuck up.

 

29 federal charges filed against shooting suspect Robert Bowers

Bowers faces 29 federal charges for today's shooting in Pittsburgh. The current total is 11 people dead and six injured.

 

Since we apparently can't have the conversation where it belongs, I will move this here. To put it in context, I mentioned that I used to live in that neighborhood and I attended services at Tree of Life as a child. It is also where we had the baby naming for my daughter. Here's what I posted on the other thread.

I'm sad and angry. Of course, it crosses my mind that on a different day it could have been my family in the line of fire. I keep thinking of being in that synagogue with my infant daughter in my arms. I keep finding out about connections between people I know and people who were there for services this morning. It reminds me that as frustrated as I have been by other mass shootings, I probably haven't been angry enough because none of those felt as real as this one does.

Mostly I keep thinking of the people who lost somebody they loved to that murderous piece of garbage today. I've mentioned this in the past, but I knew the sister of one of the of the victims of Richard Baumhammers. Baumhammers went on a shooting spree in Pittsburgh in 2000. He killed five people that day. One other man was left paralyzed and died due to health complications from his wounds in 2007.

Baumhammers started with his parents' next-door neighbor, a woman he had known his entire life. He shot her because she was Jewish. It was her sister that I knew. She was my great aunt's friend. I'd known her since I was a little kid. She was kind and classy, one of the more decent people I had met. I remember the way her voice shook, the anguish and anger in it when she talked about the way her sister died. She told us about the wounds to her sister's hands, evidence that she had time to realize what was happening and try to defend herself. She told us about being the family spokesperson during his trial and how much she hated having to talk publicly about her loss.

It is 18 years later and another bigot with a gun shot up part of my home town, murdered people for being different. Of course we're going to hear another call for change to stop gun violence in this country, or at least to try to make it less common. Then we will hear the NRA and its supporters whine about people politicizing tragedy. We've already got President Trump saying more guns would have made it better. Then everybody will forget or move on to the next ugly news item and not a damn thing will change