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President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Nov 12, 2016.

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  1. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

  2. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

  3. DanOregon

    DanOregon Well-Known Member

    It's going to be the first SOTU with confetti, a laser lightshow, a disco ball and a trapeze.
     
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  4. garrow

    garrow Well-Known Member

    And special guest---Hulk Hogan!

    "Build the wall, brother!"
     
  5. BadgerBeer

    BadgerBeer Well-Known Member


    Because this has nothing to do with Trump's claim? Just spitballing here.
     
  6. micropolitan guy

    micropolitan guy Well-Known Member

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  7. HanSenSE

    HanSenSE Well-Known Member

  8. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Sure. But, one leads to the other.

    And, absent Trump's lie, it's not an issue anyone is exploring.

    You think George W. Bush is going to say a barrier doesn't work?

    https://nypost.com/2018/01/13/we-already-have-a-border-wall-and-it-works/

    We currently have over 500 miles of barriers on the border. Are the current barriers immoral? Should we take them down?
     
  9. micropolitan guy

    micropolitan guy Well-Known Member

    Yes, I remember JFK's stirring inaugural address:

    "Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what Mexico can do for your country!"
     
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  10. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    You keep pushing this crap as if it is the only reason for criticism of building the wall. It isn't. The wall won't fully stop illegal immigration, as the current barriers don't. The wall isn't worth the expense. Donald Trump promised that Mexico would pay for the wall, but now he wants it to come from our taxes.

    The story was President Trump's lie, which was exposed as a lie. The media did its job. They did not do President Trump's job or him.
     
  11. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    A wall is an immorality. It's not who we are as a nation.

     
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  12. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Who ever said it would stop all illegal immigration?

    They stop most.

    Federal data show a far-less imposing wall than the one Trump envisions — a two-story corrugated metal fence first erected under the Bush administration — already has dramatically curtailed both illegal border crossings and crime in Texas’ sixth-largest city, which borders the high-crime Mexican city of Juarez.

    In fact, the number of deportable illegal immigrants located by the US Border Patrol plummeted by more than 89 percent over the five-year period during which the controversial new fence was built, according to Homeland Security data I reviewed. When the project first started in 2006, illegal crossings totaled 122,261, but by 2010, when the 131-mile fence was completed from one end of El Paso out into the New Mexico desert, immigrant crossings shrank to just 12,251.

    They hit a low of 9,678 in 2012, before slowly ticking back up to a total of 25,193 last year. But they’re still well below pre-fence levels, and the Border Patrol credits the fortified barrier dividing El Paso from Mexico for the reduction in illegal flows.

    And crime abated with the reduced human traffic from Juarez, considered one of the most dangerous places in the world due to drug-cartel violence, helping El Paso become one of the safest large cities in America.

    Before 2010, federal data show the border city was mired in violent crime and drug smuggling, thanks in large part to illicit activities spilling over from the Mexican side. Once the fence went up, however, things changed almost overnight. El Paso since then has consistently topped rankings for cities of 500,000 residents or more with low crime rates, based on FBI-collected statistics. The turnaround even caught the attention of former Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and other Obama administration officials, who touted it as one of the nation’s safest cities while citing the beefed-up border security there.

    Federal data illustrates just how remarkable the turnaround in crime has been since the fence was built. According to FBI tables, property crimes in El Paso have plunged more than 37 percent to 12,357 from their pre-fence peak of 19,702 a year, while violent crimes have dropped more than 6 percent to 2,682 from a peak of 2,861 a year.

    The overall crime rate in El Paso continued to fall last year, prompting city leaders to trumpet the good news in a press release that noted, “Because El Paso is a border town, its low crime rate may surprise you.”


    https://nypost.com/2018/01/13/we-already-have-a-border-wall-and-it-works/
     
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