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I'm not saying it was aliens, but ...

Senators get classified briefing on UFO sightings

 

I quit original Skoal cold turkey in May 1993. Copenhagen was always too gritty for my tastes.

 

The Nazis used concentration camps to commit genocide and mass murder, that doesn't make all concentration camps places for genocide and mass murder

 

Many of the Nazi concentration camps, including infamous ones such as Buchenwald, were not extermination camps as well.

 

Trump-22

Donald Trump is demanding that all congressional investigations stop, because investigations aren’t allowed to be biased, and Congress is biased, or they wouldn’t be investigating Donald Trump.

Call it Trump-22: You can’t investigate Donald Trump if you’re his enemy, because an enemy’s not impartial. And anyone who investigates Donald Trump becomes his enemy. So the only people who can investigate Trump are his friends. But a friend wouldn’t investigate you. If he did, he would reveal himself as an enemy, and enemies aren’t allowed to investigate. So you’re allowed to investigate Donald Trump in theory, but once you do you’re not.

This is close cousin to Barr-22: The Attorney General gets to decide if the president is exonerated or if you’ve found enough evidence to indict him. But there’s no such thing as enough evidence to indict a president, so whatever you’ve found isn’t enough and the president is exonerated.

 

Neat words. Not a plan.

 

You're asking me to be concerned there's no plan, when I'm having enough trouble coming up with enough "care" about the "problem."

What's more: Is Trump's "plan" to make up a new plan based on whatever he last heard on Fox News really better than the Democrats not having a plan?

Shit. The GOP held both houses of Congress and the White House for two years, and we saw no parts of their "plan" implemented. Is the Republicans somehow pretending they have a "plan" better than the Democrats "not having a plan"?

 

I've still never figured out who would be doing practically every manual labor job I see in southern California. I work in a high rise in Century City that recently had major construction done. Practically every skilled labor person working on the building spoke spanish. To get home, I drive through the super expensive Cheviot Hills neighborhood (saw Phil from Modern Family walking his dog a few weeks ago). I see brown skinned women walking with white toddlers in strollers.

The older I get, the harder it is for me to see the "immigration problem".

 

Simultaneously we have the greatest job market of all time with more jobs than we have workers! and also a bunch of people out of work because immigrants have taken their jobs.

 

This is where I usually land on it.

Who was taking those jobs in the past? Who was working day labor? Who was picking the fruit?

Timeline of Agricultural Labor | NFWM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...ocumented-immigration/?utm_term=.7670a053b055

 

Didn't courts keep issuing injunctions and shit?

And then there's this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immi...82d3f3d96d5_story.html?utm_term=.795b6d2e907b

 

The difference is that Obama didn't get out front and demagogue the issue. He didn't dog whistle racial animus. He didn't overtly encourage the worst possible treatment of those in custody in an attempt to cause fear in others who might decide to come. He never promised to remove millions of people by going after families. He didn't use chain link fence to make pens under overpasses. Whatever wrongs were happening in the immigration system were not encouraged, defended, and used as a political tool in the way that Trump does. And you know it. The difference in degree and intent makes this defense hard core whataboutism.

Could it have been better? I'm sure it could. The root cause is that Congress (both parties) have been unable/unwilling to update immigration policy.

As to the term "concentration camps", I only commented on it because of all the hoopla over AOC using the term. She never invoked Nazi Germany, other than using that term. It is a correct term for what is happening on the border, and if the thought that your country is putting people into concentration camps makes you feel uncomfortable or morally icky, maybe you should consider why that is. Frankly, I think that using that emotionally loaded term is exactly what should be done, because it forces the issue back under people's noses and makes them look at it.