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Muh Muh Muh My Corona (virus)

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Twirling Time, Jan 21, 2020.

  1. TrooperBari

    TrooperBari Well-Known Member



     
  2. Moderator1

    Moderator1 Moderator Staff Member

    I'm going to a wedding tomorrow. Masks required
     
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  3. Cosmo

    Cosmo Well-Known Member

    If I’m asked to wear a mask, I will. I’m not trying to be THAT guy. It’s why I keep one in my pocket just in case. But if I don’t have to wear one, I won’t. Feel like I’ve earned that.
     
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  4. Regan MacNeil

    Regan MacNeil Well-Known Member

    That’s where I am, really.
     
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  5. Scout

    Scout Well-Known Member

    Same here.

    I adjust my life for your stupid guns. I deal with your stupid antiquated views on race and marriage. I gotta pay for your masturbatory love of the military and police.

    But this is where you have to live with what I do. I followed all the guidelines for over a year. It’s over. Get your shot.
     
  6. dixiehack

    dixiehack Well-Known Member

    I wear one if the place requests it or if I’m with my daughter who still has to, because I won’t make her do something I’m unwilling to do. Otherwise, I’m going without. I might feel different if I thought my modeling that behavior would influence anyone not vaccinated to act differently, but we just proved over the last year that it will absolutely not change those people’s minds.
     
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  7. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    Thomas Frank:

    If the Wuhan lab-leak hypothesis is true, expect a political earthquake | Thomas Frank

    "If it does indeed turn out that the lab-leak hypothesis is the right explanation for how it began — that the common people of the world have been forced into a real-life lab experiment, at tremendous cost — there is a moral earthquake on the way.

    Because if the hypothesis is right, it will soon start to dawn on people that our mistake was not insufficient reverence for scientists, or inadequate respect for expertise, or not enough censorship on Facebook. It was a failure to think critically about all of the above, to understand that there is no such thing as absolute expertise. Think of all the disasters of recent years: economic neoliberalism, destructive trade policies, the Iraq War, the housing bubble, banks that are “too big to fail,” mortgage-backed securities, the Hillary Clinton campaign of 2016 — all of these disasters brought to you by the total, self-assured unanimity of the highly educated people who are supposed to know what they’re doing, plus the total complacency of the highly educated people who are supposed to be supervising them."
     
  8. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I didn't read that link. But my bet is that we are never going to know the origin, zoonatic jump or lab leak. If it escaped accidentally from that virology institute, the Chinese government would have known about it more than 16 months ago. And that would mean they have been pretty well commited to not being straight with the rest of the world. We saw what happened to doctors early in the pandemic who tried to warn about the virus. They were promptly shut up. Any smoking gun related to that lab, if it exists, was taken care of long ago.

    The small scientific community related to virology, epidemiology, etc. is pretty tight knit. They collaborate, they all know each other, etc. The scientists in the west know the scientists in China well. They know they are decent people, doing their work with good intentions. I think that is why when people started to ask questions about the virology institute early on, other researchers were invested in defending their colleagues. They were thinking in terms of their own situations. ... if a virus had escaped from their labs, they figured they'd do the ethical thing and act transparently in the interest of preventing a disaster. So they focused on the sequence of the virus, which suggested it could have jumped to humans from nature, to deflect any "what if?" questions.

    What they weren't taking into account was that the Chinese government controls everything it wants to there, and if it jumped into action quickly to cover up a lab leak, anyone who knew the truth was long-ago effectivly silenced. And any evidence is long gone.

    That's why I think we'll never know. UNLESS we find an animal that it jumped from (something they have been able to do with virually every other novel virus), we are going to be left in limbo not knowing for certain what the origin was. It won't prevent people who want to politcize it from speaking in absolutes or creating bullshit, but with the evidence we actually have, it could really be either.
     
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  9. garrow

    garrow Well-Known Member

    This fall on CBS, from producer Chuck Lorre: Lab Geek Theory
     
  10. Octave

    Octave Well-Known Member

    They don't care about being part of a citizenry or anything like that.

    They are walking representations of their low-info politics- a sad thing to arrive at in adulthood when that's all you are.

    They're the patriots and everyone else is wrong.
     
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  11. tapintoamerica

    tapintoamerica Well-Known Member

    I'm still not sure why the origin story matters. Regardless of how it started, it was out there and Trump ignored it. No matter how it started, it was contagious and 10-12 times more lethal than the common flu.
    Trump's general failure is a cover-up and then a disorganized and half-hearted attempt to stop it.
    Maybe I'm missing something here.
     
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  12. sgreenwell

    sgreenwell Well-Known Member

    I think the goal by Republicans here is to make it seem more like an attack from a foreign entity, vs. a biological / nature disaster. Easier to channel voter anger over the former than the latter.
     
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