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Today's bizarre high school football score

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Chef2, Sep 20, 2014.

  1. Batman

    Batman Well-Known Member

    Damn. I knew PI was no longer an automatic first down. I usually point it out to people on the sideline when it's a long-yardage or goal-to-go situation. I've seen a couple of teams get tripped up in their playcalling because they think it's a first down, and all of a sudden they're wondering why they're turning it over on downs on the next play.
    But I thought all personal fouls were automatic first downs. Maybe I just haven't seen one called that didn't give the team the yardage until now.

    In this case the targeting on the QB was at the 28 and they enforced it correctly if that's the rule. It left it at fourth-and-3 and they came up about a half-yard short on the replayed fourth down.

    And you're right about high school rules. There are several that drive me nuts. The PI rule is one. Calling offsides when there's no contact or clear encroachment is another. If you flinch into the neutral zone it's a penalty. You ought to be able to jump and get back as long as you don't make contact or take an extra step past the line.
     
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  2. Mngwa

    Mngwa Well-Known Member

    Good to know. I never saw the last two in 35 years. Not sure I saw the first two very much or at all.
     
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  3. MileHigh

    MileHigh Moderator Staff Member

    Defensive holding in the NFL is an automatic first down but only five yards.

    Defensive holding in college is 10 yards and only an automatic first down if there is a pass and it goes beyond the neutral zone. If there is defensive holding and it's behind the LOS, it's not an automatic first down.
     
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  4. MileHigh

    MileHigh Moderator Staff Member

    PI used to be automatic first down but they took it out maybe five to seven years ago. Usually on personal fouls, the 15 yards is enough to get the first down, but it's not automatic. College has the best PI penalty enforcement as well.

    Yup, college rules are so much better. You can jump into the neutral zone and get back out, same as in the NFL. High school, you jump in and they shut it down. Kills the pace of the game on those.

    But the NFHS needs to justify its existence and have the separate rules. It would be so much better if high school went to college rules. The differences aren't that great, though there are many. If I were king, I'd clean up some of the clock things with college. Otherwise, it's pretty much spot-on.
     
  5. MileHigh

    MileHigh Moderator Staff Member

    We had two roughing the passer penalties in our semifinal game yesterday. Usually get roughing the kicker on punts. I haven't seen roughing the snapper and holder in many years. Almost like the one-point safety or the free kick for a field goal after a fair catch.
     
  6. HanSenSE

    HanSenSE Well-Known Member

    Add to @MileHigh's list the automatic touchback on all kickoffs into the end zone.

    One of the great moments I had while regularly covering high school football was one game where I was working near a game film crew. Guy was going on all during one half on strategy, rattling on about the NFL, etc., like he knew it all. So one of the teams lines up for a long field goal and the first thing out of the guy's mouth was "Why are they doing this? They miss and they'll give the other team the ball on the (spot of the kick)?"

    Me: "No, in high school, if they miss, it comes out to the 20."
    Filmer: "You sure?"
    Me: "Yes."
    Kicker misses. Ball is placed on the 20. Rest of the game was much quieter.
     
  7. Spartan Squad

    Spartan Squad Well-Known Member

    I actually love that rule. It doesn’t punish trying. Very few high school kickers can make one past 25 or 30 yards consistently. But it lets coaches feel comfortable with the attempt.
     
  8. Mngwa

    Mngwa Well-Known Member

    Yes. It's like a punt, but with the chance for three.


    Where I am, punts are rarely contested. Rarely. So no roughing the punter calls.
     
  9. MileHigh

    MileHigh Moderator Staff Member

    Yup, that's all it is. Was surprised with our small-town semi yesterday we had three field goal attempts (one successful). Also a first for me: A safety on a kickoff.
     
  10. Spartan Squad

    Spartan Squad Well-Known Member

    Wait, how the hell do you manage that? Run into the end zone or fumble out the back?
     
  11. MileHigh

    MileHigh Moderator Staff Member

    I was 60 yards away and saw the white hat give the signal and I was like WTF. Went up to him (we had never worked on a game before; they mix up crews for the playoffs) and asked what happened to make sure we had it right.

    Kickoff was on the ground and the kid secured it (key phrase) at the 4. Then he fumbled it out of his hands into the end zone where he fell on it. Yup, safety.

    Now, had he muffed the ball into the end zone, then it's a touchback. But the fact he secured it, then lost control on his own, that's a safety. Waiting for the film to look at it.
     
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  12. I Should Coco

    I Should Coco Well-Known Member

    As a former long snapper in high school, I approve of this. Back when I played (along with walking to and from school three miles, all uphill ;)), the coaches told me to get the ball to the punter in the air, and anything else I accomplished was a bonus. Players would line up in the gaps on either side of me and just blast through the instant I snapped it.

    Between that and being part of the "wedge" on kick return teams, there were some thankless jobs in high school football!
     
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