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The 2022 running NASCAR, IMSA & other racing things thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by 2muchcoffeeman, Dec 20, 2021.

  1. playthrough

    playthrough Moderator Staff Member

    I think the lack of that inherent danger today hurts the series as much as anything, but it's not easily discussed or understood. No one wants to see another death and the fact that guys walk away every time there's a Big One is a huge compliment to all the safety advances. But I didn't look at Jimmie Johnson as some kind of gladiator in Nascar -- though I will when he hangs his ass out into Turn 1 at 230 mph this May at Indy. Or maybe that's just my open-wheel bias :)
     
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  2. maumann

    maumann Well-Known Member

    Interesting that you used JJ as an example. Before Steve Peterson unexpectedly passed away, I visited NASCAR's technical director and safety guru at the facility in North Carolina for a series of stories about what NASCAR was doing to further advance safety.

    After the on-record stuff, he and I went to lunch and I asked him point-blank if there was anything he thought was still a concern with the COT. He said, "A direct driver's side hit on a car stopped sideways on the track." Even though they had moved the driver more to the center of the car and beefed up the cage, he wasn't sure the G-forces from an impact of that type would be survivable.

    I happened to be at Darlington the night Jimmie got T-boned (he fortunately climbed out and walked away with minor bruising) and immediately ran down to the garage area before NASCAR covered up the car with a tarp. The door support on the left side had caved in a good five to six inches and was up against Johnson's seat. If not for mandatory carbon fiber seats with helmet supports plus the HANS, there's no way Johnson lives. If that had happened at 200 mph (Daytona or Talladega) instead of Darlington, it probably would have been not survivable.

    I'm not a fatalist, but I think the next death in NASCAR will be someone trapped and dying of smoke inhalation. If a driver's knocked unconscious and the car is upside down or on its side and the interior fire extinguisher isn't enough, the safety team may not be able to get to the driver in time. Their response time is way better than back when local ambulances staffed races, but the high-octane racing fuel they use can't be easily extinguished by water, like methanol.

    The second, but way more unlikely scenario, would be a sharp, heavy piece of debris that could penetrate the webbing on the driver's side window.

    I'm just very glad I worked that long without having to write an obit, although Michael McDowell tried his damnedest at Texas.
     
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  3. Driftwood

    Driftwood Well-Known Member

    Race fans don't want to see death. They want to see death defied.
    Stock car drivers up until Feb. 2001 were knights of the track. Today's racers are video game players.

    There's a reason Evel Knievel was popular.
     
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  4. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    "In bull-fighting they speak of the terrain of the bull and the terrain of the bull-fighter. As long as a bull-fighter stays in his own terrain he is comparatively safe. Each time he enters into the terrain of the bull he is in great danger. Belmonte, in his best days, worked always in the terrain of the bull. This way he gave the sensation of coming tragedy."
     
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  5. Batman

    Batman Well-Known Member

    That almost happened when Mike Harmon hit the open gate during practice at Bristol. His car was literally sheared in half, slid down the track and spun perpendicular, and the next car coming around the turn smashed into what was left of his front end. When it was all over, Harmon simply unhooked his belts, stood up and was on the track because his driver's side door was completely gone.
    If his car had slid a few feet further down the track, or that car would have been a few feet higher into the turn, it would have been ... messy.

     
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  6. maumann

    maumann Well-Known Member

    Mikey was lucky to have survived his meeting with that damn gate at Bristol in 1990. They had to lift the sheet metal to figure out where he was inside what was left.

    [​IMG]
     
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  7. wicked

    wicked Well-Known Member

    At least it's ready to run a modified race now.
     
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  8. playthrough

    playthrough Moderator Staff Member

    Whew, that would be a rough one. Not that other on-track deaths aren't, but if there's a chance a guy could have gotten out ... ugh. A lot of drivers say they fear fire more than anything else in crashes.
     
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  9. Driftwood

    Driftwood Well-Known Member

    Blaine Johnson didn't come out as well when his car hit a turnout at Indy, and that's why NHRA tracks don't have them anymore.
     
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  10. UPChip

    UPChip Well-Known Member

    The Grosjean before Grosjean.
     
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  11. 2muchcoffeeman

    2muchcoffeeman Well-Known Member

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  12. maumann

    maumann Well-Known Member

    That's a huge help, especially with a 60-car field. Plus, there are at least two teams with identical paint schemes (and one running two different manufacturers). Glad I'm neither a spotter not broadcaster this weekend.

    It's going to be pretty damn cold up on top of that spotting stand. Bundle up.
     
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