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Muh Muh Muh My Corona (virus)

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Twirling Time, Jan 21, 2020.

  1. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    So one other thing along those lines that astounds me. ... the revisionist idea that, "Hey they (it's always the amorphous they) lied about natural immunity not existing, or that natural immunity isn't as good as the vaccine. Therefore, nobody needed the vaccine. Or the vaccine was some kind of plot or hoax.

    For the life of me, I can't understand why people are trying to parse this. With hindsight we know that natural immunity is pretty well protective against severe disease and death, but that is so beside the point. People were literally watching millions of people die -- some of them on camera expressing regret that they hadn't gotten vaccinated as they took their last breath -- and there were an insane number of people not availing themselves of something that we had very good reason to believe was conferring decent protection against severe disease and death. In order to get natural immunity without being vaccinated, you were putting your life in jeopardy if you got infected. I don't understand why people are creating vaccine / natural immunity narratives that don't begin and end with that.
     
  2. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Some of it is scientific ignorance on the part of the public.

    And some of it certainly has to do with political loyalty.

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  3. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Jamie Raskin is a politician tool.

    That tweet is spot on. It's not just that there is no evidence that the virus was "unleashed," it's that she's not just suggesting a possibility of something (for which there is no evidence), she is flat out making an accusation without any proof!
     
  4. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    How seriously should we take the US DoE’s Covid lab leak theory?
     
  5. dixiehack

    dixiehack Well-Known Member

    Why the hell am I on a work call having to hear about someone’s theory of masks in the year of our Lord 2023?
     
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  6. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    The Covid origin issue is a perfect one for our current states of political dialogue and intellectual inquiry. Definitive evidence is and will remain impossible to obtain. US government inquiries have reached conflicting conclusions, but we don't know what information led them to reach them. We do know their conclusions came with the admission they were hardly definitive, indeed, with labels that shrieked, "for God's sake don't make policy off this report." So anyone on planet Earth on the Internet can put forward any hypothesis whatsoever on the origin of covid-19 without the possibility of being proven right or wrong anytime soon. A more fertile situation for bad faith arguments and conspiracy theories could hardly be imagined.
     
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  7. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    It’s unserious and arguably gaslighting to suggest the lab leak theory was always “in play”
    the way it has been in recent months. Even if the answer is “unknowable” now, The thumb was placed firmly on the scale of “wet market,” which is how a LA Times columnist can write “not a speck of evidence” without having to hedge or backtrack and do anything other than suggest a lab leak is a “zombie theory.”

    Imagine having the confidence to write that. Imagine editors who don’t blink an eye at running such certitude. You don’t get that confidence if the lab leak theory had been considered in any serious manner.

    The matter has never been a chin scratcher to most journalists. There has been, in most media circles, certainty.
     
  8. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    Part of the early push back against the lab theory was that it was coming initially from Trump - "the China Virus", and all his minions who were raving that Covid was a Chinese conspiracy, a bioweapon that got out of the lab and was killing thousands of Americans - and Chinese.
     
  9. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

    The motivations of Fatfuck and his affiliated minions are this:

    1) When COVID first broke, to minimize and trivialize its impact. Just a few years earlier they had hoped to hang a devastating Ebola epidemic on the ass of the Mooslim Neegro, which turned out to be a dud, in no small part due to effective anticipatory actions by health officials including the federal government. So they wanted to soft play COVID so nobody could claim it was any worse than Obama's shot at handling an epidemic.

    2) When it became apparent COVID was indeed going to become a big thing, Find Somebody Else To Blame It On. Preferably somebody Non-White so Fatfuck could paint them as the evil boogeyman -- CHYYYNA. Remember in the first few weeks of the pandemic was the time when caravans of dirty smelly Latino immigrants were still storming toward the border, and for a while the screech machine was screeching they were teeming with COVID. So it was either evil sneaky Chyyyneese or sweaty smelly Mexkins.

    3. Once it became apparent COVID was real, was going to spread quickly and widely, the focus shifted to management. Here we run into MAGGAT Nation's compulsion to deny and defy all forms of authority: NOBUDDUH GUNNA TELL US WHUT TA DEW!! SPECIALLY NOT NO KOLLEGE BOY DOKTERS! WE'RE SMAHHHT!! WE KIN HANDLE THINGS!! WE GUNNA DEW OUR OWN REESERCH!!

    So we were off to the land of horse paste and putting Fauci on trial for genocide.
     
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  10. MileHigh

    MileHigh Moderator Staff Member

  11. qtlaw

    qtlaw Well-Known Member

    Focusing on the origin is as the cliche goes "not seeing the forest for the trees."

    What damned us the most was not "where did it originate" but the pathetic response by the US, the White House telling the CDC and all intelligence agencies to stand down. Did China stonewall? Yes, but we could have done so much more to protect ourselves and our borders yet we were told, "nothing to worry about, we don't need to investigate."
     
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  12. Machine Head

    Machine Head Well-Known Member

    I'm just glad that we, as a country, stand ready for the next pandemic.
     
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