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Jordan Neely killing/Daniel Penny charges

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Alma, May 13, 2023.

  1. DanielSimpsonDay

    DanielSimpsonDay Well-Known Member

    in the marketplace the best ideas win out
     
  2. Webster

    Webster Well-Known Member

    I was born in Brooklyn where the back of my apartment building bordered the D train. I’ve been on the subway at all hours of the night when it was 100 times more dangerous and dirty than it is now. I have had a gun pointed at me as a “joke” transferring at Atlantic Avenue.

    So I think I have the bona fides to say that was a fluff piece meant to sympathize with Penny which could have been written by his PR team. It wasn’t a news story by a credible outlet.
     
  3. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    Keep going ...
     
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  4. Webster

    Webster Well-Known Member

    Late night hanging with some college friends on the UES pretending I could pass for the prep school crowd. 4 train transfer to the D and a few people are all waiting in the designated late night zone when some guy pulls a gun from out of his pants, yells “pow” as he pretends to pull the trigger at each of us and runs away down the stairs. The late 80s were something.
     
  5. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Which is precisely why it served his purposes. Which was precisely my point. His lawyer / team got something very sympathetic to their client in the outlet that reaches more actual every day New Yorkers than any other at this point, reaching an audience that isn't scrutinizing the credibility or lack of it of the NY Post the way people on this message board are.

    What they were hoping for is that when people are standing around discussing the case, one guy who vaguely remembers seeing Penny speak for the first time tells the five other guys he's talking to how reasonable he sounded and how well spoken he was and how he shouldn't be facing a trial.

    It's absurd that someone on here can't get that, and called his lawyer "unintelligent" because he confuses the relentless political prism he looks at everything through with what is best for Penny, whose only objective is to not be convicted of manslaughter.
     
  6. Webster

    Webster Well-Known Member

    The people who read the NY Post who could be in the jury pool almost certainly already have their minds made up.
     
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  7. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    You are probably correct.

    But as much as you seem to just want to argue for the sake of arguing about this, do you really think that him giving that interview and getting that kind of piece written was a bad thing for him or that his lawyer was steering him wrong? (what I was responding to)

    A piece like that can only help him in the court of public opinion. And that is where his lawyer is busy at work right now. That piece couldn't have been any better for his purposes than it was.
     
    Last edited: May 21, 2023
  8. Webster

    Webster Well-Known Member

    I don’t have an opinion about what his lawyer does — he should do what is best for his client. What depresses me is that a story like this happens and the Murdoch machine has a Pavlovian instinct to go all Rittenhouse to god him up.
     
  9. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    That piece was really good for his client.

    I hope you are not comparing Penny to Kyle Rittenhouse and are just talking about the Murdoch publication taking on causes. Because I don't think this is anything like what happened with Kyle Rittenhouse.

    Yes, it is sad that people are using this story and the people involved to try to advance their cartoon agendas. That applies to way more people than Rupert Murdoch. There are two tribes engaged in that fight, trying to make Neely and Penny each fit their narrative, and they are both depressing, to me at least.
     
  10. Webster

    Webster Well-Known Member

    I am 100% comparing him to Kyle Rittenhouse. It’s a complicated situation where the right decided to anoint him a hero and put the full power of their media machine behind him in a culture war. I give it 14 days before he’s on FNC and appearing at Mar-a-Lago.

    And you can both sides it all you want. I stand by the fact that it was perfectly reasonable for people to be upset that he was cleared by the cops within hours.
     
  11. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I was talking about his motives and what happened. Not your "the right" narratives. By all accounts, Kyle Rittenhouse was a little shit who went out looking for conflict, carrying an automatic style weapon. By all accounts, this was a guy who was just riding the subway home, and a guy who was acting menacingly came on the train and started screaming threats at people. You had a narrative in your mind before you had any facts. Even now you have a narrative in your head. Mar-a-Lago.
     
  12. Webster

    Webster Well-Known Member

    I appreciate your psychoanalysis as to my narratives. Because you are a blank slate.
     
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