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President Biden: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Jan 20, 2021.

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  1. justgladtobehere

    justgladtobehere Well-Known Member

    Did it hurt you? Nobody was harmed. Shouldn't your problem be with the bank which you think made a risky loan?
     
    justgladtobehere, Mar 20, 2024
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  2. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    Constitutionality aside, that may be the best cut-to-the-chase explanation I've heard.
     
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    BTExpress, Mar 20, 2024
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  3. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    How much did Deutsche Bank forfeit by using Trump's inflated assets to decide his loan rate?

    Again, 63(12) was applied as written.
     
    Azrael, Mar 20, 2024
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  4. garrow

    garrow Well-Known Member

     
    garrow, Mar 20, 2024
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  5. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Azrael, Mar 20, 2024
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  6. Driftwood

    Driftwood Well-Known Member

    If I get busted buying 10 quarts of moonshine from the shady guy at the foot of the mountain, I can tell the government that it's OK because nobody is claiming fraud and that it was a voluntary exchange?
    Cool. Cool.
    Or just maybe, the state will fine me because there are tyrannical laws on the books that could target anyone - except those who don't engage in this type of illegal behavior - against buying untaxed liquor.
     
    Driftwood, Mar 20, 2024
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  7. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    In a civil suit, the burden or proof rests on the plaintiff.

    What I was saying is that he shouldn't have needed any witnesses, because this was a statute that made that burden of proof into next to nothing.

    Let's at least be honest about this: This was a civil fraud suit. ... that somehow required no proof of anyone being defrauded, didn't need to show anyone was actually victimized, and didn't need to prove any tangible harm.

    How that kind of proceeding happens in America should SCARE people, even if yeah, she found a statute that allowed her to get her target who lots of people hate, so yay!

    For me. ... there are so many legit criminal things that conceivably can be proven in a court of law with Donald Trump (and hopefully will be). ... and this is what people are applauding. It's short sighted.

    What happens when it isn't Donald Trump, but the barn door that is open allowing broad laws like that to be molded into getting someone a little less odious than Donald Trump? Because that is always the way it happens. ... prosecutors don't take back their powers, they expand them, and use it to selectively target whoever they want.
     
    The Big Ragu, Mar 20, 2024
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  8. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I missed that prosecution.
     
    The Big Ragu, Mar 20, 2024
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  9. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    State Trooper: You were going 100 mph in a 65.
    Me: But who was harmed by that? Who is the victim?
     
    Inky_Wretch, Mar 20, 2024
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  10. Regan MacNeil

    Regan MacNeil Well-Known Member

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    Regan MacNeil, Mar 20, 2024
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  11. justgladtobehere

    justgladtobehere Well-Known Member

    It was the taxpayers. It was me, a customer of the bank.

    Driving a car pursuant to a state license on public roads is different than conducting a private business transaction.
     
    justgladtobehere, Mar 20, 2024
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  12. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    Forgive me if I'm confusing the court cases, but isn't this fine related to fraud conducted by Trump Org - which had a business license?
     
    Inky_Wretch, Mar 20, 2024
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