2,880 examples of why raising a daughter is not easy

In all honesty, most of these look like somewhat normal after-party dorm hijinks.

The tendency toward overtanning is a lot disturbing, however.

 

Oh the dad was up there in a heartbeat. From what I understand, her privileges were scaled back quite a bit, but I never really asked. Didn't seem to be any of my business.

On a completely different note, I'm always amazed at how many kids have fake IDs. I never had one and I don't know of any friends who had one. But my co-worker's daughter had one; that's how she got in the bar. Last fall, I was sitting in the same bar and a volleyball player from the local high school walked in, flashed her fake ID and kept on going. She took about three steps, saw me sitting there, turned around and walked out. I asked the bouncer if she had an ID and he said, "Yeah, looked just like her."

 

I've repeated this often: The best thing about my life is that the Internet didn't exist when I was 19.

 

As someone who has been an occasional bouncer:

In a college town, any girl can probably get her hands on an ID that can get her in, including the local HS girls.

College girls gain weight, lose weight, dye their hair, tan, wear makeup, get plastic surgery, wear colored contacts, et. Knowing if the ID is atually them or not is a total crapshoot.

Guys have it much tougher, but it still isn't that hard.

The only ones that are easy to spot are the homemade ID's with their actual picture. They always forget to get the weight/stock right. And if you try to not take it out of the plastic in your wallet, that's a dead giveaway, unless you look over 30. A 22 year old kid comes into the bar with ID in hand. A 45 year old guy might have have it in plastic in his wallet, but not a 22 year old guy. No way. I'm going over your ID with a fine tooth comb if you pull that, and I'm asking you to recite some of the information.

 

Zeke,

So, as a bouncer, did you get the sense that the owners were cool with letting kids in as long as they had IDs that were close enough? Or at least for the girls, while the guys better have their shit together?

 

Not at the bar that I sometimes (twice a year or so) work at.

But there are bars like that in every town.

Depending on your local liquor laws, it's worth the risk some places. And while I'd like to say it was some kind of frat party plot, where you let hot girls in no matter what to attract the drunk, free-spending guys, it's honestly a combination of the ID trouble I detailed above and the fact that most (all) bouncers are guys, and they aren't going to fuck with a hot chick.

Because they want to fuck the hot chick.

 

That's about the time my kid would have her internet privilege yanked. If I can't see it, she shouldn't be doing it.


Someone said something earlier that I think is so true. This is not about sex. It's about attention.

 

Kids, male and female, are becoming hyper-sexualized much earlier than when most of the people on this board were young. The dolls I played with growing up wore Little House on the Prairie outfits complete with pantaloons. Fashion Barbie was considered risque.

Has anyone seen the Bratz dolls? They're this generations Cabbage Patch Kids in terms of popularity and they're barely dressed. I'm not blaming these dolls, but rather the whole culture surrounding kids today.

They are bombarded with these images constantly on TV, movies, toys, the internets and especially at school. Ask any 10-year-old to recite "My Humps" and I bet they can sing the whole thing.

I'm not really sure why this is a shock to some of you.

Bratz has a cartoon too!

 

You don't yank a 21-year-old's internet privilege...

 

Fair enough.

(That's what I get for assuming she was younger. I'm sorry.)

 

Good point. Can't really yank a 16-year-old's, either, if they can get on at the library or something.

 

I'm not sure I could have made the title of the thread any more benign, Lugs. I'm not sure exactly what you'd prefer. (Suggest something else, and I'll change it.) Part of the reason I posted the link was because I thought an interesting discussion like this might be the result, not because I wanted to provide spank material for all the horny, young agate clerks out there. (Or, I suppose, the horny old sports editors out there.)

You're exactly right about the difficult moral dilemma guys face when faced with pictures like this, especially guys who are fathers or dream someday of having daughters. That was the whole point of the title. I'm young enough that I find myself horrified and mesmerized by these kind of images, and it puts all guys like me in an uncomfortable position. If I have daughters someday, I'd like them respect themselves, have confidence, and feel liberated and smart enough to make their own decisions. I'd rather they not dress like porn stars for lingerie parties, but at some point, that's going to be out of my hands. And it would also be hypocritical of me to act like this kind of behavior was depraved and deplorable, because I had sex in college, and I went to parties where women got wasted and sometimes took their clothes off. (In the dark, though. Not on the front lawn or in the living room.)

My main point in posting this was more a commentary on the current mores today. I dated a few beautiful, sexy, confident women was I was in college, and none of them would have been caught dead posting pics of themselves on the internet in bras and panties. Some of them would sooner die than have the world gawk at them like that, and they certainly didn't seek out cameras, then willingly post it on their own facebook page where anyone could access it. That seemed, at least six years ago, to be a fairly standard attitude.

Things, quite obviously, at least for a certain percentage of young women, seem to have changed. This is the kind of thing people used to see only at spring break or in New Orleans. That's clearly not the case anymore.