2008 sj.com college football poll -- (1/9) Final Poll, Page 118

Angola! · Dec 7, 2008

Re: 2008 SportsJournalists.com college football poll -- Week 14 (12/1) Page 106

Paper Dragon said:

Piotr Rasputin said:

1. USC
2. Florida
3. Oklahoma
4. Texas
5. Alabama
6. Penn State
7. Texas Tech
8. Utah
9. Boise St.
10. Ohio State

So yes, in answer to the inevitable question: I'm "The guy who voted USC NO. 1!"

Florida probably made a better case, and I actually wouldn't argue with Florida as No. 1. But USC gets extra points from me for doing what many contenders do not (Cough, Oklahoma, cough). And that's letting off the throttle when the opponent is clearly overmatched. The Trojans had a tendency to throw their backups out there in the fourth quarter. Contrast that with teams which, leading by multiple scores in the fourth against clearly overmatched opponents, call fake punts (ahem, Ohio State at Northwestern) or fake field goals (Take a bow, Missouri against SEMO).

And as for Oklahoma over Texas: this was a close vote too. Two comments: 1. If they played today, I wonder what the result would be; and 2. If a single head-to-head midseason matchup is your main criteria for determining who is better, I submit that it is wiser to examine the entire season, including recent results.

I respect Utah's undefeated season. But I don't believe the Utes would beat any of the teams I ranked above them. If so many are eager to penalize USC and Penn State for playing in weaker conferences, how can we act like the Utes have taken on a conference gauntlet? It's not as simple as "They've won all their GAMES!!!!!!!!" Not in the Mountain West.

Or the WAC, for that matter. A BCS Bowl berth has been earned, no question. But I'm skeptical of the Utes and Broncos' chances againt the teams ranked 1-7.
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So you're punishing Oklahoma for trying to become the first team to reach 60 in five straight games, but not Florida, which routinely leaves Tebow in the game while up by 30? And you're rewarding USC for barely beating weak conference teams? But not Utah, which hasn't played any easier of a schedule than USC? And you're voting USC No. 1 because you believe they'll destroy anybody, just like they did Stanford, Cal and Oregon State in recent years?

Makes sense to me.
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I just hate you, that's why I voted USC No. 1.

Is that cool?

Angola! · Dec 7, 2008

Re: 2008 SportsJournalists.com college football poll -- Week 14 (12/1) Page 106

Seriously, though, I think USC's defense is the best in the nation. Sure, its offense isn't as good as some teams, but its defense is the best hands down.

So, they may not pull an Oklahoma and score 60 on hapless Missouri, but USC would've held Missouri to 100 yards and 6 first downs and 7 points.

They are the No. 1 team in my mind.

Paper Dragon · Dec 7, 2008

Re: 2008 SportsJournalists.com college football poll -- Week 14 (12/1) Page 106

Angola! said:

Paper Dragon said:

Piotr Rasputin said:

1. USC
2. Florida
3. Oklahoma
4. Texas
5. Alabama
6. Penn State
7. Texas Tech
8. Utah
9. Boise St.
10. Ohio State

So yes, in answer to the inevitable question: I'm "The guy who voted USC NO. 1!"

Florida probably made a better case, and I actually wouldn't argue with Florida as No. 1. But USC gets extra points from me for doing what many contenders do not (Cough, Oklahoma, cough). And that's letting off the throttle when the opponent is clearly overmatched. The Trojans had a tendency to throw their backups out there in the fourth quarter. Contrast that with teams which, leading by multiple scores in the fourth against clearly overmatched opponents, call fake punts (ahem, Ohio State at Northwestern) or fake field goals (Take a bow, Missouri against SEMO).

And as for Oklahoma over Texas: this was a close vote too. Two comments: 1. If they played today, I wonder what the result would be; and 2. If a single head-to-head midseason matchup is your main criteria for determining who is better, I submit that it is wiser to examine the entire season, including recent results.

I respect Utah's undefeated season. But I don't believe the Utes would beat any of the teams I ranked above them. If so many are eager to penalize USC and Penn State for playing in weaker conferences, how can we act like the Utes have taken on a conference gauntlet? It's not as simple as "They've won all their GAMES!!!!!!!!" Not in the Mountain West.

Or the WAC, for that matter. A BCS Bowl berth has been earned, no question. But I'm skeptical of the Utes and Broncos' chances againt the teams ranked 1-7.
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So you're punishing Oklahoma for trying to become the first team to reach 60 in five straight games, but not Florida, which routinely leaves Tebow in the game while up by 30? And you're rewarding USC for barely beating weak conference teams? But not Utah, which hasn't played any easier of a schedule than USC? And you're voting USC No. 1 because you believe they'll destroy anybody, just like they did Stanford, Cal and Oregon State in recent years?

Makes sense to me.
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I just hate you, that's why I voted USC No. 1.

Is that cool?
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Fine with me. Hell, that's the only honest explanation I've seen.

Piotr Rasputin · Dec 7, 2008

Re: 2008 SportsJournalists.com college football poll -- Week 14 (12/1) Page 106

If I thought for a minute about you when I make my picks, I would have done the same, PaperDragon.

I guess next time I'll just post some hemming and hawing, and then "change my mind" in the middle of my picks post. All the better to cover my own ass and be able to rip everyone else, right?

Paper Dragon · Dec 7, 2008

Re: 2008 SportsJournalists.com college football poll -- Week 14 (12/1) Page 106

Piotr Rasputin said:

If I thought for a minute about you when I make my picks, I would have done the same, PaperDragon.

I guess next time I'll just post some hemming and hawing, and then "change my mind" in the middle of my picks post. All the better to cover my own ass and be able to rip everyone else, right?
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Just admit you're a Pac-10 fanboi disguising yourself as a neutral observer by feeding us all these lame excuses. No way would they get consideration over Texas or Oklahoma. USC hasn't earned shit. No mystery why they're not getting even a sniff of the championship game.

Piotr Rasputin · Dec 7, 2008

Re: 2008 SportsJournalists.com college football poll -- Week 14 (12/1) Page 106

HA!

Yes, dunce, I'm a "Pac-10 fanboi."

I do like that it has a complete round-robin, sure.

I understand that when we post our polls, we're going to be asked questions. I just prefer my questioner to be a little more . . . informed. I saw where you were going with this a mile away, and thought that maybe you wouldn't say it, that you weren't this dumb. You certainly don't present yourself as being this lost.

"Uh, uh . . . I think:

1. OU
2. Florida
3. Texas

WAIT!! I changed my mind . . .I wanna be able to talk shit to everyone who picked OU or Texas:

1. Texas
2. Florida
3. OU

Ha HA! Bunch of FANBOYS!!!!!!!"

My multiple degrees from Pac-10 schools have bought my loyalty, absolutely. Best conference in the country!

Way off base, PaperDragon.

Hank_Scorpio · Dec 7, 2008

Re: 2008 SportsJournalists.com college football poll -- Week 14 (12/1) Page 106

Piotr Rasputin said:

HA!

Yes, dunce, I'm a "Pac-10 fanboi."

I do like that it has a complete round-robin, sure.

I understand that when we post our polls, we're going to be asked questions. I just prefer my questioner to be a little more . . . informed. I saw where you were going with this a mile away, and thought that maybe you wouldn't say it, that you weren't this dumb. You certainly don't present yourself as being this lost.
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Your questioner wasn't even man enough to ask for a ballot in our poll at the beginning of the season.

He said he didn't have the time to devote to it. I'm thinking the real reason is he was just scared.

Paper Dragon · Dec 7, 2008

Re: 2008 SportsJournalists.com college football poll -- Week 14 (12/1) Page 106

Piotr Rasputin said:

HA!

Yes, dunce, I'm a "Pac-10 fanboi."

I do like that it has a complete round-robin, sure.

I understand that when we post our polls, we're going to be asked questions. I just prefer my questioner to be a little more . . . informed. I saw where you were going with this a mile away, and thought that maybe you wouldn't say it, that you weren't this dumb. You certainly don't present yourself as being this lost.

"Uh, uh . . . I think:

1. OU
2. Florida
3. Texas

WAIT!! I changed my mind . . .I wanna be able to talk shit to everyone who picked OU or Texas:

1. Texas
2. Florida
3. OU

Ha HA! Bunch of FANBOYS!!!!!!!"

My multiple degrees from Pac-10 schools have bought my loyalty, absolutely. Best conference in the country!

Way off base, PaperDragon.
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Actually, I was inviting people to rip on my initial ranking but then I re-read what Slappy wrote and voted my conscious. I still think Texas deserved to go. But, as my thread post shows, I wouldn't rip someone at this point for picking Oklahoma instead of Texas. I can see both sides.

But USC as No. 1 is still stupid as fuck. So there you go.

Paper Dragon · Dec 7, 2008

Re: 2008 SportsJournalists.com college football poll -- Week 14 (12/1) Page 106

Hank_Scorpio said:

Piotr Rasputin said:

HA!

Yes, dunce, I'm a "Pac-10 fanboi."

I do like that it has a complete round-robin, sure.

I understand that when we post our polls, we're going to be asked questions. I just prefer my questioner to be a little more . . . informed. I saw where you were going with this a mile away, and thought that maybe you wouldn't say it, that you weren't this dumb. You certainly don't present yourself as being this lost.
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Your questioner wasn't even man enough to ask for a ballot in our poll at the beginning of the season.

He said he didn't have the time to devote to it. I'm thinking the real reason is he was just scared.
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Scared? Of what? You?

hahahahahahaha

Piotr Rasputin · Dec 7, 2008

Re: 2008 SportsJournalists.com college football poll -- Week 14 (12/1) Page 106

I consciously voted my conscience.

And Hank: PaperDragon wasn't around before (re-)registering in October. I do feel that someone who makes sport of challenging everyone else's considered thoughts should post some of his own. In this case, a poll. He says he doesn't have time for such things. But there is time to act like a jerk, apparently.

I respect his efforts in trying to make up for lost time in filling the Troll of the Year void.

Rest assured, PD, you can stop campaigning.

KYSportsWriter · Dec 7, 2008

Re: 2008 SportsJournalists.com college football poll -- Week 14 (12/1) Page 106

It's his opinion, 'PD.' Why the hell can't you respect that and shut up about it?

Paper Dragon · Dec 7, 2008

Re: 2008 SportsJournalists.com college football poll -- Week 10 (11/4) Page 76

Piotr Rasputin said:

I consciously voted my conscience.

And Hank: PaperDragon wasn't around before (re-)registering in October. I do feel that someone who makes sport of challenging everyone else's considered thoughts should post some of his own. In this case, a poll. He says he doesn't have time for such things. But there is time to act like a jerk, apparently.

I respect his efforts in trying to make up for lost time in filling the Troll of the Year void.

Rest assured, PD, you can stop campaigning.
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Piotr Rasputin said:

When Alabama loses, USC will move into my No. 1 slot, with Florida close behind.

And my answer to those who whine about it will be: Because it's my vote, and that's how I perceive it based on the games I have seen, and the season's developments so far, taking every single game by the contenders into account. You can feel free to vote however YOU want, and be content in the fact that you won't hear any pissing from me demanding that you justify yourself.
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I am not content.

And so I'm a troll for disagreeing with you? A scared troll at that?

You know, I've been playing relatively nice because I don't want to get the thread locked. You guys are the one calling names and saying I can't get laid (maybe I should read more comic books) because you don't want to argue facts. You want to make an idiot statement like USC is No. 1 and have everyone just bow to you and your "degrees." Just tell me one (1!) thing USC has actually done to earn a No. 1 spot. Just one.

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