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7 dead, 7 wounded in Santa Barbara shooting rampage

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by mpcincal, May 24, 2014.

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  1. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    The kid could've learned something by watching Rogen: "I'm gonna fuck you with my pecker."

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    MisterCreosote, May 28, 2014
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  2. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    The shooter was mentally ill. Any attempt to tease out some chain of logic or causality between things happening in his life and what he wound up doing is just so much b.s. He could have grown up poor, he could have been rich. He could have been ridiculously successful with the ladies. None of that would have changed the fact that he was terribly, terribly sick.
     
    doctorquant, May 28, 2014
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  3. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    A particularly virulent strain of affluenza, I suppose.
     
    Alma, May 28, 2014
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  4. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    But we have to figure out all the ways the people involved screwed up in ways we wouldn't have, otherwise we have to face the reality that it might happen to us or our children.
     
    RickStain, May 28, 2014
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  5. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    Honest query: Is there a mass killer or serial killer you'd describe as not mentally ill?
     
    Alma, May 28, 2014
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  6. BNWriter

    BNWriter Active Member

    This. And Jonah Hill would also seem to apply, as far as I am concerned.
     
    BNWriter, May 28, 2014
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  7. old_tony

    old_tony Well-Known Member

    That the media have thrown their own credibility can be blamed on no one but the media themselves.

    (It's kind of hard to write that sentence for two reasons: 1. As a member of the media myself, I'm ashamed to see what liberal bias has done to has become of the institution; 2. "Media" sounds like it should be a singular word, so it feels as though I should be saying "has" and "its" and "itself.")
     
    old_tony, May 28, 2014
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  8. old_tony

    old_tony Well-Known Member

    For what it's worth, this has been my understanding of what the "well-regulated militia" clause means ever since we studied the Constitution in high school.

    "Militia" refers to the army of the government. Government powers being something the Founding Fathers wanted to rein in, the Second Amendment was designed to keep the government from being able to wipe out any insurrection simply because the government had all the guns. So the Second Amendment is designed to give the average people one more way to fight back against government aggression. It certainly doesn't mean that the people have the right to bear arms so they can join up and fight in the government's "well-regulated militia." The people having arms is what keeps the government's militia well-regulated.

    Yet gun-control nuts always seem to read that as though it means only the militia should have guns. Then again, those are the same people who foolishly see big government as a benevolent being.
     
    old_tony, May 28, 2014
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  9. Jake_Taylor

    Jake_Taylor Well-Known Member

    It must be terrible to go through life with no sense of humor.
     
    Jake_Taylor, May 28, 2014
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  10. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Your high school teacher should be taken out back and shot -- by a well-regulated militia; that is if anyone actually injected that tripe into your noggin.

    First, militias in those times simply meant the group of able-bodied men who weren't part of the army (which was a centralized institution). A militia that gathered arms was a body of people from the same town or state. They existed for the exact opposite reason of what you wrote. People couldn't rely on a centralized authority to maintain order in their locality, so militias were important to the colonists as a social institution, for public safety reasons and to provide defense if necessary. Stay-at-home militias, for example, kept order as police forces, while the continental army was fighting the American revolution.

    What you wrote is just not true. The founders of our country didn't want to "rein in" "government powers." To the contrary, they set out to create a constitution that defined the powers the government had -- they imbued the government with a lot of power, even if they tried to put limits on that power. What you typed basically states that the founders of America were trying to undermine what they created by encouraging anarchy. With one hand creating a government and with the other telling people it was legit to fight the institutions they were forming. That is not true. They didn't create something and then tell everyone to arm themselves so they could "fight back against government aggression."

    I'd call that revisionist nonsense, but it's so ridiculous that no self-respecting revisionist could even say it with a straight face.
     
    The Big Ragu, May 28, 2014
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  11. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    Read this:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/27/opinion/nocera-right-to-bear-arms-means-this.html?_r=0
     
    Alma, May 28, 2014
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  12. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    Great link, Alma. So tony, now that we have a pretty solid case that the Second Amendment interpretation you cite is a perversion of history, let's go to the other point: Do you really believe that citizens with guns are going to rise up and stop the United States military in that paranoid fantasy world where the military invades our own people in the first place? Is that what we're clinging to now?
     
    LongTimeListener, May 28, 2014
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