7 dead, 7 wounded in Santa Barbara shooting rampage

[Mizzougrad96]

The shooter was mentally ill. Any attempt to tease out some chain of logic or causality between things happening in his life and what he wound up doing is just so much b.s. He could have grown up poor, he could have been rich. He could have been ridiculously successful with the ladies. None of that would have changed the fact that he was terribly, terribly sick.

Honest query: Is there a mass killer or serial killer you'd describe as not mentally ill?

Hard to argue with this.

 

[doctorquant]

Great link, Alma. So tony, now that we have a pretty solid case that the Second Amendment interpretation you cite is a perversion of history, let's go to the other point: Do you really believe that citizens with guns are going to rise up and stop the United States military in that paranoid fantasy world where the military invades our own people in the first place? Is that what we're clinging to now?

Sorry LTL, that's not correct. The great bulk of Second Amendment scholarship is contrary to the argument proffered in that link.

 

[LongTimeListener]

Great link, Alma. So tony, now that we have a pretty solid case that the Second Amendment interpretation you cite is a perversion of history, let's go to the other point: Do you really believe that citizens with guns are going to rise up and stop the United States military in that paranoid fantasy world where the military invades our own people in the first place? Is that what we're clinging to now?

Sorry LTL, that's not correct. The great bulk of Second Amendment scholarship is contrary to the argument proffered in that link.

I'm not up on it. What's the best citation?

The guy in that link certainly has the credentials, anyway.

 

[dirtybird]

Seth Rogen and Judd Apatow don't appreciate the blame pointed their way:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/style-blog/wp/2014/05/27/seth-rogen-and-judd-apatow-dont-blame-us-for-misogynistic-massacre/

Half-baked column still half-baked?

 

[Mizzougrad96]

So what is the solution? Or are we all foolish to think there might be a way to prevent this from happening as frequently as it seems to be happening?

I'm not suggesting on any level that it's an easy fix or that any specific moves prevent this from happening again, but having covered one of these shootings, I get sick every time it happens again. I remember after covering one, someone told me, "You have to realize that there won't be anything like this again." and while I wanted to believe that at the time, that person could not have been more wrong.

 

[LongTimeListener]

So what is the solution? Or are we all foolish to think there might be a way to prevent this from happening as frequently as it seems to be happening?

I'm not suggesting on any level that it's an easy fix or that any specific moves prevent this from happening again, but having covered one of these shootings, I get sick every time it happens again. I remember after covering one, someone told me, "You have to realize that there won't be anything like this again." and while I wanted to believe that at the time, that person could not have been more wrong.

There's no solution.

NRA wins. Get used to it.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

Seth Rogen and Judd Apatow don't appreciate the blame pointed their way:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/style-blog/wp/2014/05/27/seth-rogen-and-judd-apatow-dont-blame-us-for-misogynistic-massacre/

Half-baked column still half-baked?

Maybe we should blame every TV show or movie where a schlubby guy has a hot girlfriend or wife. Seems beyond ridiculous.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

So what is the solution? Or are we all foolish to think there might be a way to prevent this from happening as frequently as it seems to be happening?

I'm not suggesting on any level that it's an easy fix or that any specific moves prevent this from happening again, but having covered one of these shootings, I get sick every time it happens again. I remember after covering one, someone told me, "You have to realize that there won't be anything like this again." and while I wanted to believe that at the time, that person could not have been more wrong.

There's no solution.

NRA wins. Get used to it.

Sadly, I agree. When Newtown happened, I would have bet anything that the result would have been much stricter gun laws very quickly.

 

[Alma]

So what is the solution? Or are we all foolish to think there might be a way to prevent this from happening as frequently as it seems to be happening?

I'm not suggesting on any level that it's an easy fix or that any specific moves prevent this from happening again, but having covered one of these shootings, I get sick every time it happens again. I remember after covering one, someone told me, "You have to realize that there won't be anything like this again." and while I wanted to believe that at the time, that person could not have been more wrong.

There's no solution.

NRA wins. Get used to it.

One day, the NRA will lose and probably lose big. It's not a question of "if" but "how."

We are in one most conservative eras of American history. It'll end. And we'll move on.

 

[The Big Ragu]

So what is the solution? Or are we all foolish to think there might be a way to prevent this from happening as frequently as it seems to be happening?

I'm not suggesting on any level that it's an easy fix or that any specific moves prevent this from happening again, but having covered one of these shootings, I get sick every time it happens again. I remember after covering one, someone told me, "You have to realize that there won't be anything like this again." and while I wanted to believe that at the time, that person could not have been more wrong.

There's no solution.

NRA wins. Get used to it.

One day, the NRA will lose and probably lose big. It's not a question of "if" but "how."

We are in one most conservative eras of American history. It'll end. And we'll move on.

What do you mean by "one of the most conservative eras of American history"? And how exactly does that "conservative era" -- as you define liberalism versus conservatism -- relate to people who are gun happy.

Are we more conservative than when gay marriage didn't exist at all? More conservative than when pot wasn't being legalized in places? More conservative than when some states enforced segregation of the races? More conservative than when our Congress was issuing subpoenas, accusing people of being communists and trying to frighten them into naming names? More conservative than when women weren't allowed to vote? Or when slavery was legal? Or when we had anti-sedition laws?

 

[3_Octave_Fart]

So what is the solution? Or are we all foolish to think there might be a way to prevent this from happening as frequently as it seems to be happening?

I'm not suggesting on any level that it's an easy fix or that any specific moves prevent this from happening again, but having covered one of these shootings, I get sick every time it happens again. I remember after covering one, someone told me, "You have to realize that there won't be anything like this again." and while I wanted to believe that at the time, that person could not have been more wrong.

The next one is already plotting his Day of Retribution, scrawling his insipid manifesto.
We are well into Decline of the Roman Empire, Pt. II territory here, at this stage of the program.

 

[Bob Cook]

If there's a time when the NRA loses, it's because of its friends, not its enemies. Like the yokels who show up armed for battle at Sonic, or the numbnuts in Georgia who walked through a kids' baseball game and showed everyone his gun, and told him there wasn't anything they could do about it. (He was right.) Even self-identified Second Amendment lovers were quoted in these cases as saying this was all bullshirt. A line is being crossed from self-defense to intimidation, and maybe voters aren't going to react yet, but most every chain where open-carry extremists have had an "event" has eventually responded by banning guns or asking, politely, to please not wave them around.