7 dead, 7 wounded in Santa Barbara shooting rampage

[cranberry]

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/elements/2014/05/the-online-life-of-elliot-rodger.html

The Internet, in fact, not only found Elliot Rodger but almost managed to find him in time. A few days before the killings, a user on Reddit's "cringe" forum submitted a video of Rodger expressing the deep misogyny that has disturbed the country. On Thursday, May 22nd, another user, named Dave Kawamoto, watched the video and wrote, "If this isn't a troll, then I bet we find out this guy is a serial killer. I'm getting a strong Patrick Bateman vibe from him." Since news of the shooting broke, Kawamoto's comment has been "upvoted" (Reddit's method of showing approval) more than three thousand times. Kawamoto told me over e-mail that when he first saw Rodger's video he assumed that it was the work of an Internet troll who was trying to get an odd, dark laugh. But after looking through Rodger's YouTube profile, Kawamoto saw other videos in which Rodger did nothing but drive around and listen to music. "One of the songs was Katrina and the Waves "Walking on Sunshine" which, other than the general banality of Rodger's gripes as well as his entitlement and materialism, was probably what prompted my comparison to American Psycho protagonist/antagonist Patrick Bateman," Kawamoto wrote.

http://www.reddit.com/r/cringe/comments/260fod/hes_magnificent_but_no_girl_will_ever_give_him_a/

 

[doctorquant]

So the guy went on a delusional, misogynistic rampage because he had too much time on his hands?

I think the point would be that the guy fell into a delusional, misogynistic* spiral -- culminating in his rampage -- because modernity afforded him the luxury to do so.

I will also suggest that the misogynistic angle has been overplayed here. The guy hated women, true. But this guy hated everyone ...


*Sheesh that's hard to type.

 

[Boom_70]

Everyone has a right to grieve in their own way but
there is a point where the cable news programs give
the grievers too much air time and they turn from
sympathetic to annoying. This trend seemed to
start with Fred Goldman.

I blame the news organizations more than the individuals.

 

[3_Octave_Fart]

Do you not believe he was gay or at least bi, and overcompensating?
He was equally angry with men for satisfying others sexually.
He might have had legitimate sister issues, as well. Listening to your sister have intercourse? Whoa.
You have to read his diarrheal spew of a manifesto to see some of this.

 

[Songbird]

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/elements/2014/05/the-online-life-of-elliot-rodger.html

The Internet, in fact, not only found Elliot Rodger but almost managed to find him in time. A few days before the killings, a user on Reddit's "cringe" forum submitted a video of Rodger expressing the deep misogyny that has disturbed the country. On Thursday, May 22nd, another user, named Dave Kawamoto, watched the video and wrote, "If this isn't a troll, then I bet we find out this guy is a serial killer. I'm getting a strong Patrick Bateman vibe from him." Since news of the shooting broke, Kawamoto's comment has been "upvoted" (Reddit's method of showing approval) more than three thousand times. Kawamoto told me over e-mail that when he first saw Rodger's video he assumed that it was the work of an Internet troll who was trying to get an odd, dark laugh. But after looking through Rodger's YouTube profile, Kawamoto saw other videos in which Rodger did nothing but drive around and listen to music. "One of the songs was Katrina and the Waves "Walking on Sunshine" which, other than the general banality of Rodger's gripes as well as his entitlement and materialism, was probably what prompted my comparison to American Psycho protagonist/antagonist Patrick Bateman," Kawamoto wrote.

http://www.reddit.com/r/cringe/comments/260fod/hes_magnificent_but_no_girl_will_ever_give_him_a/

In this Internet age, someone video'ing himself or herself driving around isn't so rare.

 

[cranberry]

So the guy went on a delusional, misogynistic rampage because he had too much time on his hands?

I think the point would be that the guy fell into a delusional, misogynistic* spiral -- culminating in his rampage -- because modernity afforded him the luxury to do so.

I will also suggest that the misogynistic angle has been overplayed here. The guy hated women, true. But this guy hated everyone ...


*Sheesh that's hard to type.

Besides easy access to three semi-automatic handguns, what critical component to the murders did modernity afford Rodger that a young man in 1914 wouldn't have had?

 

[Songbird]

1914 killer wouldn't have gotten as far, as fast, in his Model T.

 

[BNWriter]

Beating smallpotatoes to the punch...

Well known conservative:

Exene Cervenka, singer for the 80′s punk icons X, just upset a whole mess of people this afternoon (May 28) with a series of tweets aimed at exposing last week’s Santa Barbara shooting as a hoax.

The 58-year-old frontwoman has added herself to the list of “truthers” who believe Elliot Rodger was just another bad actor in a long line of well-produced hoaxes, which include the Boston Marathon bombings and the attack on the World Trade Center.

Calling herself a “Conspiracy Therapist,” Cervenka digs into Elliot Rodger’s videos and various news reports in order to find incongruities.

Several videos added to her YouTube channel playlist today that back up the theory that Rodgers manifesto videos were filmed in a studio. “No one died and no one got hurt. The story is 100% fabricated from start to finish,” claims one YouTube truther.

Cervenka believes Rodger’s killing spree along with the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting were designed to force stricter gun control laws ultimately leaving citizens defenseless against the government.

http://kroq.cbslocal.com/2014/05/28/xs-exene-cervenka-claims-santa-barbara-shooting-was-a-hoax/

As soon as I figure out which are worse -- conspiracy theorists or truthers -- I'll get back to you. Cervenka is just one more idiot on the planet IMHO thanks to this kind of retardation.

 

[britwrit]

Beating smallpotatoes to the punch...

Well known conservative:

Exene Cervenka, singer for the 80′s punk icons X, just upset a whole mess of people this afternoon (May 28) with a series of tweets aimed at exposing last week's Santa Barbara shooting as a hoax.

The 58-year-old frontwoman has added herself to the list of "truthers" who believe Elliot Rodger was just another bad actor in a long line of well-produced hoaxes, which include the Boston Marathon bombings and the attack on the World Trade Center.

Calling herself a "Conspiracy Therapist," Cervenka digs into Elliot Rodger's videos and various news reports in order to find incongruities.

Several videos added to her YouTube channel playlist today that back up the theory that Rodgers manifesto videos were filmed in a studio. "No one died and no one got hurt. The story is 100% fabricated from start to finish," claims one YouTube truther.

Cervenka believes Rodger's killing spree along with the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting were designed to force stricter gun control laws ultimately leaving citizens defenseless against the government.

http://kroq.cbslocal.com/2014/05/28/xs-exene-cervenka-claims-santa-barbara-shooting-was-a-hoax/

As soon as I figure out which are worse -- conspiracy theorists or truthers -- I'll get back to you. Cervenka is just one more idiot on the planet IMHO thanks to this kind of retardation.

But let's dig deeper here. Couldn't these "truthers" be all a plot by the government to discredit those brave patriots who want to speak out about whatever they want to speak about?

I'm off to post a 40,000-word essay about this on my blog but let's not be asleep to this new threat to our liberties....

 

[BNWriter]

Beating smallpotatoes to the punch...

Well known conservative:

Exene Cervenka, singer for the 80′s punk icons X, just upset a whole mess of people this afternoon (May 28) with a series of tweets aimed at exposing last week’s Santa Barbara shooting as a hoax.

The 58-year-old frontwoman has added herself to the list of “truthers” who believe Elliot Rodger was just another bad actor in a long line of well-produced hoaxes, which include the Boston Marathon bombings and the attack on the World Trade Center.

Calling herself a “Conspiracy Therapist,” Cervenka digs into Elliot Rodger’s videos and various news reports in order to find incongruities.

Several videos added to her YouTube channel playlist today that back up the theory that Rodgers manifesto videos were filmed in a studio. “No one died and no one got hurt. The story is 100% fabricated from start to finish,” claims one YouTube truther.

Cervenka believes Rodger’s killing spree along with the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting were designed to force stricter gun control laws ultimately leaving citizens defenseless against the government.

http://kroq.cbslocal.com/2014/05/28/xs-exene-cervenka-claims-santa-barbara-shooting-was-a-hoax/

As soon as I figure out which are worse -- conspiracy theorists or truthers -- I'll get back to you. Cervenka is just one more idiot on the planet IMHO thanks to this kind of retardation.

But let's dig deeper here. Couldn't these "truthers" be all a plot by the government to discredit those brave patriots who want to speak out about whatever they want to speak about?

I'm off to post a 40,000-word essay about this on my blog but let's not be asleep to this new threat to our liberties....

Britwrit -- Please tell me you are just having a little fun with your question -- Please! Because otherwise, it just throws gas on the fire. I grow very sick & tired of EVERYTHING Being treated as though it has a conspiracy lurking behind it or getting treated like it never happened and the truth has been denied us, but a small group who think they KNOW the truth will ferret it out.

THE TRUTH IS: These people convinced they have or will seek real truth need either medical attention or a major reality check. Until they get those, they should not even be paid attention to. Why we as a society put up with that kind of thing baffles me.

OK.....Have at.

 

[britwrit]

Yeah, sorry. I really do have to learn how to use the blue font for my (funny to me but not anyone else) "humor".

 

[doctorquant]

So the guy went on a delusional, misogynistic rampage because he had too much time on his hands?

I think the point would be that the guy fell into a delusional, misogynistic* spiral -- culminating in his rampage -- because modernity afforded him the luxury to do so.

I will also suggest that the misogynistic angle has been overplayed here. The guy hated women, true. But this guy hated everyone ...


*Sheesh that's hard to type.

Besides easy access to three semi-automatic handguns, what critical component to the murders did modernity afford Rodger that a young man in 1914 wouldn't have had?

First of all, easy access to three semi-automatic handguns isn't the only thing that enabled Rodger to do what he did. Perhaps it needs repeating that half of the deaths here were deaths by stabbing.

Second of all, the point raised (and the one I've been pondering) deals with this tragedy as not having a beginning last Friday (or whenever he bought his guns). Rodger lived a life of great comfort and security -- in absolute terms -- even though in relative terms (as compared to those he perceived as his peers) he was a pauper. The point is, therefore, that perhaps our modern life, with the struggle to simply survive all but a distant memory, enables such delusions/pathologies to become far more salient in daily life (for those who suffer from them) than ever before in history.

It is not very difficult for me to imagine that a Rodger in 1914 (or 1814 or 1714, for that matter) would notice that others had it way better (in whatever way) than did he. It is difficult for me to imagine, however, that a Rodger in those times would have had the time, the freedom or the energy to run with those thoughts.