old_tony said:
Baron Scicluna said:
old_tony said:
Inky_Wretch said:
old_tony said:
JayFarrar said:
Instructive here is the contention that someone who has suffered a loss is not permitted to advocate for a change to keep others from suffering the same loss.
A mom who loses a child in a drunk driving accident, could not start a Mothers Against Drunk Driving or speak out against drunk driving because that would make them attention whores standing on the body of their dead child to keep [me] from being able to get a drink.
It is an interesting argument and I think it is largely in reaction to how successful the grieved are in making a change.
Also instructive here is the apparently common belief that if you lose a family member to some sort of criminal activity, you become infallible and are allowed to blame all kinds of people who had nothing to do with the crime and you are also allowed to call for the elimination of rights for millions and millions of law-abiding citizens. And anyone who dares to have the common-sense position that you shouldn't be blaming the wrong people and calling for the elimination of basic Constitutional rights for the law-abiding is to be threatened with violence and called all kinds of things in personal attacks.
It's possible to disagree with the father but do so in a manner that respects his grieving process.
Not when the "grieving process" attacks people who had nothing to do with the crime and calls for the senseless elimination of rights for law-abiding people who, again, also had nothing to do with the crime.
It's like having a family member killed by a drunk driver who had 15 vodka/Red Bulls and then blaming General Motors.
No, it's like having a family member killed by a drunk driver who had 15 vodka/Red Bullsmand then blaming the alcohol industry for not even being willing to pass a law prohibiting drunken driving because they claim that drunk drivers don't kill people, people kill people.
Please tell me about all these states that don't have drunk-driving laws.
Or, failing that, please tell me why you're comparing drunk driving to a right guaranteed in the Constitution.
Thank you for making my point. Why are there drunk driving laws? Because enough people decided that there was a problem. And even then, there are groups opposed to lowering the limit further:
http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/local/2014/05/23/lower-drunk-driving-limit/9508293/
Meanwhile, gun rights people don't think there's a problem. They've fought every single measure, even common sense ones like background checks.