9/11/01--Where were you when you heard the news?

[JackyJackBN]

And about 20 days later I was 30,000 feet above Afghanistan, for about 18 months. Fun times.

There you are, Three!

Any words of wisdom on the defacing of the Wall? I'm in a bit of a snit. If any oil touched Cliff McKittrick's name...let's just say, I don't want to know.

Sorry, JJBN. You lost me there, man.

Didn't read about it in the newspaper, did you?

Sorry I don't have time right now to find the AP version. If there is one.

http://www.soldiersperspective.us/2007/09/10/vietnam-memorial-wall-defaced-september-7-9/


Cliff was a West Point grad and dear friend, mia. Pick the name of your choice; he's mine.

Sorry.
A post from the Freepers blaming "the antiwar crowd"?
Not a single google entry I can find from a legitimate news source, or a direct quote from the Park Service?
Forgive me if my standard of proof is a tad higher.

OK. What's not disputed is that there is a a clear oily substance--comparable to WD-40, for example, and that's my example from reading and viewing the video--on areas (names) on the base of the Wall. Accident or deliberate defacement, it bothers me. It's not easily removed, whatever it is.

Is it news or not? Well, to me it is, but you're right, it was only reported by people who care. And they aren't professional journalists. Call 'em freepers, call 'em veterans, call 'em any name you please. They jumped to a conclusion, and so did I. Still don't like it.

I don't like it, either. As it happens, I covered the controversy over the building of the Wall back in the late '70's when I was a baby reporter for an alternative weekly. There was a lot of noise from the stab-in-the-back crowd -- the Freepers of their day -- about how dirty hippes were attempting to memorialize our vets with an "ugly hole in the ground." There even was some noxious stuff about the fact that the designer -- Maya Lin -- was Asian. I don't know anyone today who thinks of the Wall with anything less than almost mystic reverence, including me. I, too, am upset that it was marked up, but to charge this up to "defacement" by "the antiwar crowd" is noxious paranoia from the worst of the right.
All's I'm sayin'.

I ran through about three sites, posted the one I felt was least noxious. I was in a hurry, and having a shirt of a day. No excuse, just factual.

Defacement, that's not established. Could have been oil from a leaf-blower, I suppose. (And if it's not easily removed, that should be news too, although of a lesser degree.) Let's just make sure that others understand you're not quoting me when you use the phrase "the antiwar crowd". You won't get that from me.

Also, there should be an inkling here about how I feel about Asians. An inkling.

And that's more than enough from me on this subject.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

And I didn't.
And if it was a leaf-blower, someone should get fired.
"Sorry, chief. I was cleaning the memorial and I accidentally sand-blasted off Lincoln's nose."
No insult intended.

 

[Yawn]

And about 20 days later I was 30,000 feet above Afghanistan, for about 18 months. Fun times.

There you are, Three!

Any words of wisdom on the defacing of the Wall? I'm in a bit of a snit. If any oil touched Cliff McKittrick's name...let's just say, I don't want to know.

Sorry, JJBN. You lost me there, man.

Didn't read about it in the newspaper, did you?

Sorry I don't have time right now to find the AP version. If there is one.

http://www.soldiersperspective.us/2007/09/10/vietnam-memorial-wall-defaced-september-7-9/


Cliff was a West Point grad and dear friend, mia. Pick the name of your choice; he's mine.

Sorry.
A post from the Freepers blaming "the antiwar crowd"?
Not a single google entry I can find from a legitimate news source, or a direct quote from the Park Service?
Forgive me if my standard of proof is a tad higher.

Legitimate news source:
Pravda.
CNN.
Al Gore.

Illegitimate news source:
Fox News
The Drudge Report

Sorry to post your list, FenPhen.

 

[JackyJackBN]

And about 20 days later I was 30,000 feet above Afghanistan, for about 18 months. Fun times.

There you are, Three!

Any words of wisdom on the defacing of the Wall? I'm in a bit of a snit. If any oil touched Cliff McKittrick's name...let's just say, I don't want to know.

Sorry, JJBN. You lost me there, man.

Didn't read about it in the newspaper, did you?

Sorry I don't have time right now to find the AP version. If there is one.

http://www.soldiersperspective.us/2007/09/10/vietnam-memorial-wall-defaced-september-7-9/


Cliff was a West Point grad and dear friend, mia. Pick the name of your choice; he's mine.

Sorry.
A post from the Freepers blaming "the antiwar crowd"?
Not a single google entry I can find from a legitimate news source, or a direct quote from the Park Service?
Forgive me if my standard of proof is a tad higher.

Legitimate news source:
Pravda.
CNN.
Al Gore.

Illegitimate news source:
Fox News
The Drudge Report

Sorry to post your list, FenPhen.

STFU. Please.

 

[Yawn]

Sorry, but liberals don't have the right to dominate this kingdom.

 

[JackyJackBN]

Sorry, but liberals don't have the right to dominate this kingdom.

Ok, I'll put it another way: please say something original, or STFU.

You know the history of red-baiting in this country, right? Shades of Robert Welch. Just say something original, or funny, or sensible.

Now please excuse me; I must go back to the tea and razzleberry scones I'm enjoying with my liberal brethren and sistren.

PS: A glance at Drudge shows me a story of an abandoned monkey who has fallen in love with a pigeon. Complete with photo. And I thought it was just a blog. Get back, CNN!

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

With razzleberry dressing?
(Magoo-jack at its finest!)

 

[doubledown68]

I was less than a week into my first job after college. Hours were different then, so I was on my way to the office early because I still didn't really have a sense of what I was doing.

I was listening to a local sports talk goober on the radio, and somebody called in with a "current events update" to say a plane had crashed into the twin towers. By the time I got to work, the second plane had hit.

What I'll remember most is the the sound in the newsroom that day. At the time, the paper had this archaic, non-Microsoft Word based wire/input system that made a beeping noise every time an update was passed along the wire. Every computer had them, and the beeps almost never stopped that day.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

A good friend and mentor worked for UPI back in '63, when the teletypes were run with a system of bells, and he says that November 22 sounded like he was trapped in Big Ben for three hours.
He also says, as was the case with Katie and Lauer here, that there were a ton of wire feeds that had gunfire from all over the plaza, and eyewitnesses who saw shooters everywhere. He always had his doubts.

 

[Boobie Miles]

This doesn't necessarily belong here, but it doesn't really warrant it's own thread so here's my question: I was watching a National Geographic special and it seems like every hi-jacker turned off the planes' transponders making it very difficult to track their paths, so my question is why is turning off the transponder even an option?

This may seem like a conspiracy theorist leading question, and I'm promising it's not. I'm just curious as to why turning the transponder off was an option because I can't think of any benefit to it, thought I know there are plenty of people here who know more about this than I, and that is why I ask.

 

[TheHacker]

I was in the car. I had just left for work and turned on the radio and the all-sports station was talking about the first plane having hit the World Trade Center. At first they were saying it was a small plane because they were watching TV and that's what TV was reporting. And then after a couple of minutes, once they started saying it was a jet, I remember switching over to Howard Stern, because I knew his show originated from Manhattan. Seems stupid now, but somehow I just felt like I wanted to be hearing this from people who were actually in the same city where it was happening. Of course, they were watching it on TV too. But when the second plan hit the WTC, I remember Stern saying that the explosion looked like something out of a Jerry Bruckheimer film.

I really didn't have any time to see any TV during the day, as things were unfolding. Earlier this week, on Tuesday morning, MSNBC re-aired about three hours of NBC news coverage, real-time, as it happened and I recorded it on the DVR. I'm not especially patriotic, but I feel like it's one of those things worth saving to watch as time goes on. This was the first chance I had to watch it unfold in real time, and I actually had a jittery feeling. Even knowing everything that was going to happen, down to the minute, it still shook me up to see it played out ... and that didn't really surprise me.

 

[markvid]

Sorry, but liberals don't have the right to dominate this kingdom.

What is higher, the number of threads Yawn has wrecked or his IQ?

Toss-up.