Airline terror plot suspects identified; of British orgin

Pastor · Aug 11, 2006

Boom_70 said:

Pastor said:

Damn straight, Boom. To the camps they go. Round them up. Fuck all Muslims for making me wait in line at an airport.

There's lots of space in Texas and Arizona, right? We could just build the camps there. Send them all!
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Pastor I know you are angry but I think that is way too harsh.

I do think though we need to ask the nation of islam to take a firm outward stand against the extremists.

Please give me one good reason why we should be made to stand in line at airport for 2 hours because some clown from pakistan does not like how the world is treating him?
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Are you getting soft on me, Boom? Grow a fucking sack!

You said it yourself, fuck all Muslims. Muslims are the problem in this world and this country. Why not just round them up and throw them into special locations? How can you state they are the problem and then just allow them to walk in public. No. Fuck that.

This is America. And I'll be damned if I have to stand in line at an airport for 2-hours because of some fucking Arab! I don't need to be inconvenienced. That is fucking bullshit. I'm an important fucking person and I don't wait for NOBODY!

Armchair_QB · Aug 11, 2006

fake shemp said:

Slightly OT, but does anyone know how Scotland Yard initially got around to monitoring the suspects? I've read that their neighbors had no complaints about them leading me to believe they did not tip anyone off, so what caused British authorities to start bugging their cars and tapping their phone lines?

And I just started working in NYC recently, reading this shit in the paper while taking the train in the morning is scary as all hell. I honestly can't believe not a single thing has happened to this subway system yet.
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Don't remember which news show I heard this on but Scotland Yard received a tip from a neighbor or acquaintance of one of the guys living in London. That got the ball rolling.

old_tony · Aug 11, 2006

Boom_70 said:

Jihad is not a term coined by Ned Lamont:Â Â

What does the Arabic word jihad mean?

One answer came last week, when Saddam Hussein had his Islamic leaders appeal to Muslims worldwide to join his jihad to defeat the "wicked Americans" should they attack Iraq; then he himself threatened the United States with jihad.

As this suggests, jihad is "holy war." Or, more precisely: It means the legal, compulsory, communal effort to expand the territories ruled by Muslims at the expense of territories ruled by non-Muslims.

The purpose of jihad, in other words, is not directly to spread the Islamic faith but to extend sovereign Muslim power (faith, of course, often follows the flag). Jihad is thus unabashedly offensive in nature, with the eventual goal of achieving Muslim dominion over the entire globe.

Jihad did have two variant meanings through the centuries, one more radical, one less so. The first holds that Muslims who interpret their faith differently are infidels and therefore legitimate targets of jihad. (This is why Algerians, Egyptians and Afghans have found themselves, like Americans and Israelis, so often the victims of jihadist aggression.) The second meaning, associated with mystics, rejects the legal definition of jihad as armed conflict and tells Muslims to withdraw from the worldly concerns to achieve spiritual depth.

Jihad in the sense of territorial expansion has always been a central aspect of Muslim life. That's how Muslims came to rule much of the Arabian Peninsula by the time of the Prophet Muhammad's death in 632. It's how, a century later, Muslims had conquered a region from Afghanistan to Spain. Subsequently, jihad spurred and justified Muslim conquests of such territories as India, Sudan, Anatolia, and the Balkans.

Today, jihad is the world's foremost source of terrorism, inspiring a worldwide campaign of violence by self-proclaimed jihadist groups:

The International Islamic Front for the Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders: Osama bin Laden's organization;
Laskar Jihad: responsible for the murder of more than 10,000 Christians in Indonesia;
Harakat ul-Jihad-i-Islami: a leading cause of violence in Kashmir;
Palestinian Islamic Jihad: the most vicious anti-Israel terrorist group of them all;
Egyptian Islamic Jihad: killed Anwar El-Sadat in 1981, many others since, and
Yemeni Islamic Jihad: killed three American missionaries on Monday.
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Yet there are so many on the left who think "If we could just get them to the negotiating table and find out why they feel this way."
Fools, all of them.

Chuck~Taylor · Aug 11, 2006

old_tony said:

Boom_70 said:

Jihad is not a term coined by Ned Lamont:Â Â

What does the Arabic word jihad mean?

One answer came last week, when Saddam Hussein had his Islamic leaders appeal to Muslims worldwide to join his jihad to defeat the "wicked Americans" should they attack Iraq; then he himself threatened the United States with jihad.

As this suggests, jihad is "holy war." Or, more precisely: It means the legal, compulsory, communal effort to expand the territories ruled by Muslims at the expense of territories ruled by non-Muslims.

The purpose of jihad, in other words, is not directly to spread the Islamic faith but to extend sovereign Muslim power (faith, of course, often follows the flag). Jihad is thus unabashedly offensive in nature, with the eventual goal of achieving Muslim dominion over the entire globe.

Jihad did have two variant meanings through the centuries, one more radical, one less so. The first holds that Muslims who interpret their faith differently are infidels and therefore legitimate targets of jihad. (This is why Algerians, Egyptians and Afghans have found themselves, like Americans and Israelis, so often the victims of jihadist aggression.) The second meaning, associated with mystics, rejects the legal definition of jihad as armed conflict and tells Muslims to withdraw from the worldly concerns to achieve spiritual depth.

Jihad in the sense of territorial expansion has always been a central aspect of Muslim life. That's how Muslims came to rule much of the Arabian Peninsula by the time of the Prophet Muhammad's death in 632. It's how, a century later, Muslims had conquered a region from Afghanistan to Spain. Subsequently, jihad spurred and justified Muslim conquests of such territories as India, Sudan, Anatolia, and the Balkans.

Today, jihad is the world's foremost source of terrorism, inspiring a worldwide campaign of violence by self-proclaimed jihadist groups:

The International Islamic Front for the Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders: Osama bin Laden's organization;
Laskar Jihad: responsible for the murder of more than 10,000 Christians in Indonesia;
Harakat ul-Jihad-i-Islami: a leading cause of violence in Kashmir;
Palestinian Islamic Jihad: the most vicious anti-Israel terrorist group of them all;
Egyptian Islamic Jihad: killed Anwar El-Sadat in 1981, many others since, and
Yemeni Islamic Jihad: killed three American missionaries on Monday.
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Yet there are so many on the left who think "If we could just get them to the negotiating table and find out why they feel this way."
Fools, all of them.
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The Arabic meaning to Jihad is to give everything you have or struggle to do something. The "Islamic" meaning to Jihad is to do anything possible to be a good Muslim. You see, people like Saddam and Osama THINK that they are actually performing a type of jihad. But they are not. They do things that go against the Islamic religion(Killing innocent people etc). So when you really look at it, they're not performing Jihad at all.

Flying Headbutt · Aug 11, 2006

But they have a whole region of people convinced otherwise. And no one over there really seems interested in pointing out the contradictions.

BTW, I wonder why Louis Farrakhan has been so quiet lately.

Batman · Aug 11, 2006

Chuck~Taylor said:

The Arabic meaning to Jihad is to give everything you have or struggle to do something. The "Islamic" meaning to Jihad is to do anything possible to be a good Muslim. You see, people like Saddam and Osama THINK that they are actually performing a type of jihad. But they are not. They do things that go against the Islamic religion(Killing innocent people etc). So when you really look at it, they're not performing Jihad at all.
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I can just see Osama slapping his forehead in disbelief and saying, "My bad" when someone points out the difference.

JRoyal · Aug 12, 2006

Yeah, it's about time someone steps up and condemns terrorism. I mean, they sure didn't after 9-11.

Oh, wait.

http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php

And they sure aren't saying anything about attacking each other in Iraq.

Oh, wait.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...,1,5722272.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed

Well, no one has said it's not OK to attack civilians since those guys in London were busted.

Oh, wait. Guess the guy who said this doesn't count:

Dr Bari, secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain and one of the signatories, said: "As Muslims we condemn attacks on civilians wherever they happen.
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I just wish more Muslims would condemn this stuff. No way this is just a fanatical minority acting out their corrupt view of a religion. No one's ever perverted Christianity to justify killing people before.

Columbo · Aug 12, 2006

JRoyal said:

Yeah, it's about time someone steps up and condemns terrorism. I mean, they sure didn't after 9-11.

Oh, wait.

http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php

And they sure aren't saying anything about attacking each other in Iraq.

Oh, wait.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...,1,5722272.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed

Well, no one has said it's not OK to attack civilians since those guys in London were busted.

Oh, wait. Guess the guy who said this doesn't count:

Dr Bari, secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain and one of the signatories, said: "As Muslims we condemn attacks on civilians wherever they happen.
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I just wish more Muslims would condemn this stuff. No way this is just a fanatical minority acting out their corrupt view of a religion. No one's ever perverted Christianity to justify killing people before.
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Alphabet soup factions don't carry much weight for me.

There needs to be something massive, organized and loud.

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