Another conservative attack on people with vaginas fails

[zagoshe]

I've long ago lost this argument, I am now trying hard to force the mods to lock this thread and hope that I get the last post because that is what I do - I make stupid points, I get smacked down but rather than admit how wrong I was, I continue to attack until the lock because I am thin skinned and small minded......

Fixed.

 

[Starman]

Did I say I respected clinic bombers? Nope. Wrong again, Zag. Starman was being ridiculous.

Ridiculous? Not one little bit.

If it's really human life, you should be out there stopping it BY. ANY. MEANS. NECESSARY.

The fact that 99.9999997% of the anti-abortionists never do it, means they don't really believe it. They SAY it, but they take no actions in accordance with that belief.

(Bill James laid out this argument 25-some years ago in an Abstract essay on people who scream about "society's misplaced priorities" and hand-wring about athletes making gazillions in our society while cancer researchers are [relatively] modestly paid, and James laid out the counterevidence that while almost everybody SAYS they value cancer researchers much much more than athletes, very few in fact take actions in accordance with that belief.)

So as far as "respecting the clinic bombers," why sure, "respect" them for actually acting in accordance with their beliefs when most others in this whole bullshirt argument don't.

But if they break the law, tough shirt for them. Give them the needle if they qualify, and they should, since any such actions would be quite obviously fully premeditated.

 

[outofplace]

Did I say I respected clinic bombers? Nope. Wrong again, Zag. Starman was being ridiculous, but there was a point in there with all of his foolishness.

I said you should be doing more to stop abortions because you are arguing that abortion is murder. And you obviously aren't doing a damn thing or you would be telling us about your brave efforts to save those poor unborn children.

But we'll never get a real answer from you. Just more pathetic insults, because that is where you hide when you are cornered and don't dare speak the truth.

It is official, you are still a jackass who always has to get the last word no matter how idiotic the points you are trying to make are and regardless of how many times you have been smacked down.....

The next time you smack anybody down will be the first, but you just keep on patting yourself on the back.

Zag, you really are the Barry Horowitz of SportsJournalists.com.

 

[outofplace]

Did I say I respected clinic bombers? Nope. Wrong again, Zag. Starman was being ridiculous.

Ridiculous? Not one little bit.

If it's really human life, you should be out there stopping it BY. ANY. MEANS. NECESSARY.

The fact that 99.9999997% of the anti-abortionists never do it, means they don't really believe it. They SAY it, but they take no actions in accordance with that belief.

And as far as "respecting the clinic bombers," why sure, "respect" them for actually acting in accordance with their beliefs when most others in this whole bullshirt argument don't.

But if they break the law, tough shirt for them. Give them the needle if they qualify, and they should, since any such actions would be quite obviously fully premeditated.

I get the point you are trying to make, but you lose me at the point of respecting murderers.

 

[Starman]

I get the point you are trying to make, but you lose me at the point of respecting murderers.

Well, "respect" won't do 'em much good when the iron bars slam shut, or the needle slips in.

"Woohoo, I got respect ....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...."

 

[Baron Scicluna]

Virginia governor is a political coward:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2012/02/22/virginia_gov_bob_mcdonnell_changes_his_mind_about_ultrasound_law.html?wpisrc=twitter_socialflow

""I think it gives full information...To be able to have that information before making what most people would say is a very important, serious, life-changing decision, I think is appropriate."

Did he ever think that maybe the women don't want to be forced into learning about "full information", especially if it's an invasive procedure?

Nope, course not. Women are too fragile to be able to think for themselves about whether or not they want to undergo a medical procedure.

I'm not debating this law, but there are all sorts of "full information" laws and requirements for medical procedures. Should we de-regulate all of them because those mandates suggest that we are to fragile to be able to think for ourselves about whether or not we want to undergo a medical procedure?

No, a lot of the "full information" laws and requirements are meant to give patients information that they may not know about, such as risks.

This law wasn't going to do that. The woman already knows she's pregnant. It is just designed as a guilt trip. Abortions have been done for hundreds of years, the last 40 of them legally, without this requirement being necessary. If anything, it adds to the red tape.

And besides, I thought Republicans were against government mandates. Heck, I seem to recall a whole big hullaboo over "The government will decide what doctor you'll see!" when government health care was being debated (ignoring the fact that corporations already do exactly that). Yet, they seem like they want to tell women to undergo an extra procedure even though they don't want it.