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Budget talks: This is getting nasty

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by printdust, Jul 13, 2011.

  1. Tarheel316

    Tarheel316 Well-Known Member

    Without a doubt. He gives in too easily. I look back in history and how LBJ would have handled this. LBJ was one tough hombre. With that being said, it looks like Obama keeps trying to surrender and the Tea Party-controlled GOP won't accept it. The thing is he could have negotiated from a position of strength. Polls indicate Americans want higher taxes on the wealthy. They want those who are least capable to bear all the sacrifices. But Obama has thrown away that advantage. And I was stunned when he said publicly that Boehner wouldn't return his calls. Talk about weakness. Should have kept that to himself.

    At one time I didn't think a default was possible. Not so sure now. It looks to me like the Tea Party wants a default.
     
  2. Flying Headbutt

    Flying Headbutt Moderator Staff Member

    Thing is, they don't see any sort of "default" the way most of us do. And if entire programs are shut down they aren't concerned. There's a complete and entire difference in the worlds some people are viewing this in.

    Personally, Franklin Delano Romanowski's thoughts on Kramer summed up my thoughts for the lot of them. Hopefully the TV networks will stop giving them air time and tell them they can go before the cameras again once a deal is done.
     
  3. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Sorry, but this isn't a "negotiation." Nor is it politics. Nor governance. It's kabuki. It's performance art. It's a postmodern video representation of ritual suicide.
     
  4. Baron Scicluna

    Baron Scicluna Well-Known Member


    Or totally broke because a few fabulously rich people gamed the system, then cried to the government for a bailout.

    Back to the debt limit, I'll use a different football analogy. Obama is calling for a plan that, if it was a football offense, would be primarily passing, with a few running plays mixed in. Republicans want to throw the ball 100 percent of the time. Which do you think would be the better offense?
     
  5. Flying Headbutt

    Flying Headbutt Moderator Staff Member

    It's none of those things you said it's not, but it's not performance art either. Perhaps it's pandering. I think it's idiocy and stubborness. A childish battle of supposed grownups who won't shut up unless they have the last word.
     
  6. Freelance Hack

    Freelance Hack Active Member

    But somewhere, years ago. It was line that helped someone win an election. Maybe it was a City Council or a Mayor's race. Because it was successful there, it was tried for bigger, more important races. And guess what, it was successful there, too.

    People think if they have experience hiring/firing 5-10 people or managing a budget of, say, $1 million that makes them qualified to handle larger responsibilities. It's only 3 or 6 extra zeroes.

    Of course, it's not that simple.
     
  7. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    But it <i>doesn't matter</i> if a small business goes into ruins. Small businesses die every day in any town. Do you know? Do you care?

    If there was a terrorist attack tomorrow - heaven forbid - and the Tea Party folks held to their debt principles...well, they wouldn't. Obviously. That's how government works. Stuff happens, the greater good is brought into consideration, and people (theoretically) make sacrifices in their own life based on that.

    If there was a parallel event at a pizza place - say someone robbed it and shot the store manager - that's a 20-second snippet on the big city news. Film at 11. And then we all move on. It's very sad, of course - but not more sad or impactful than any of the great misfortunes that befall individuals on any given day.
     
  8. Freelance Hack

    Freelance Hack Active Member

    Also, if a business wasn't meeting revenue projections, it might cut employees or expenses -- but a good business person would consider RAISING revenue. Either by raising prices or investing funds to generate new business.
     
  9. LeCranke

    LeCranke Member

    Remind me again, Teabaggers and their favorite coffee shillers, about how we need to cut taxes on multimillion-dollar corporations because those good little businesses will turn around and share those tax cuts with us citizens, thereby negating the need to trim police/fire/teachers from the government payrolls?

    I guess the airlines didn't get the memo...Or maybe they signed a pledge NOT to cut prices when their taxes went down?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/24/faa-shutdown-which-airlin_n_908001.html
     
  10. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    This story shows something simple, and it's not what you think.

    There is a price level for airline tickets, above which people will choose not to travel.

    With Government tacking on so many fees on top of a ticket, airlines are forced to accept less than they should/would in a low tax environment.

    Absent those taxes, the airlines are able to capture that revenue that had been going to the government.

    It's still simple supply/demand. The demand exists at those prices. It's just a question of who gets the money.
     
  11. deskslave

    deskslave Active Member

    Makes it real easy to leave the price hikes in place, then scream about excessive taxation when the taxes come back. Just you watch.
     
  12. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    Az - this is really weird being on the same page with you.
     
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