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Conn. pols talk JRC rescue

I was going to post but jfs got in my head and wrote all the good stuff.
Mitt Romney wants to break unions. Period. It's what he does.
Biggest. Fake. Ever.
 
Fenian_Bastard said:
I was going to post but jfs got in my head and wrote all the good stuff.
Mitt Romney wants to break unions. Period. It's what he does.
Biggest. Fake. Ever.


Flipper's leg quivers at the thought of it.
 
The government already saved a bunch of journalism jobs (at least temporarily) by carving out an antitrust exemption to allow JOA syndicates (err, partnerships).
 
jfs1000 said:
DCguy said:
Ready to play devil's advocate (and really, I'm just trying to spark a debate, not get my head ripped off) ...

A week ago or so, Mitt Romney (not someone I ever agree with) wrote in the NYT that it'd be better to let the automotive industry go bankrupt, which would force the Big Three to streamline everything and re-evaluate its business model. Of course the downside to that is so many people losing their jobs, but the upside is that the future of the business might be better.

Now I know I don't want to lose my job, and I don't want my friends in newspapers across the country to lose theirs, but wouldn't it serve the future of the newspaper industry better to suffer a bitter defeat, like Romney suggested for the American auto industry, and try to retool and fight back in a more efficient way? In the short term, it would royally suck. In the long term, it might be for the best.

I also know the argument against the non-bailout is simple: There are too many people at risk to let newspapers (or American auto companies) fail, and the options for retooling are far fewer for newspapers than for car makers, who just need to maximize fuel efficiency and go green.

As an aside, CEOs of these failing companies should be fired. Both the auto and newspaper industries need new leaders.

What does everyone think?

Two points.

1. The first is newspapers play a civic role. That alone makes them an important part of the community. At their best, they are not sole profit vehicles. So, letting them die doesn't help the community. Not sure it rises to the level of bailout though.

The auto industry is much different.

2. The problem about letting the auto industry fail is it will devastate a state, destroy a city and put millions on the unemployed line in the entire United States.

Think of how many GM related services there are for cars. Not only does detroit lose jobs, but there are also part distributors, drivers, shippers. Those employees, millions of them, don't go to the store and buy things which destroys retail.

Then you go to the wholesalers and dealers. Eventually eveyone in the United States is affected. A whole economy fails.

That then creates a glut of workers for other jobs, driving down salaries. What happens then? Home sales go in the tank because people can't afford homes.
GM and the rest of the big 3 can wreck the economy.

Mitt Romney is so rich it is obnoxious, and it shows. He sees an opportunity to fix the business and make it more lean and profitable for SHAREHOLDERS. It's all about the shareholders and the investors with this guy. He sees it as an opportunity to destroy a union. He isn't operating in our world.

In theory he is right. Evetually, the business would come back stronger and leaner and cheaper with innovative survivors. But, does that help the working man and the economy?

I don't think so.

If the Govt doesn't bail out and these companies do indeed fail (big if) and cease to exist, then goverment services will be overwhelmed. Unemployment, welfare, health insurance etc.

It will destroy several cities in the rust belt. That will lead to more government intervention and cost on the backend in social services.

With the Big 3 gone, then the towns that depend on them will have to cut schools, police, and city services because there is no tax base.

Once again, social services would be overwhelmed and incredibly expensive. The loss of local tax revenue would be astounding.

So, how would you, as a taxpayer, rather pay for the calamity? Keep them afloat, keep the worker productive and working and making things and give the big 3 a chance to turn around?

Or

Would you let them fail, let misery reign because that is the free market, and then allow our tax dollars to be paid out in social services like welfare, food stamps, health care, and basic city services?

One option chooses using taxpayers moeny and keep people productive.

The other is straight welfare for sitting at home and does nothing productive.

Mitt Romney doesn't get it. Taxpayers pay EITHER WAY.

Now, which one is the real smart choice?

So your line of thinking is that a bailout would save the Big Three? A bailout would not encourage the American car companies to innovate their way out of this mess. Bankruptcy would allow to Big Three to get rid of dealerships and slim down. While that would be bad for newspapers because of advertising, it would let the Big Three emerge as stronger companies.
 
Stitch said:
So your line of thinking is that a bailout would save the Big Three? A bailout would not encourage the American car companies to innovate their way out of this mess. Bankruptcy would allow to Big Three to get rid of dealerships and slim down. While that would be bad for newspapers because of advertising, it would let the Big Three emerge as stronger companies.

Stitch, would you be willing to buy a car from a manufacturer in bankruptcy that may not survive for the life of your vehicle?
 
I don't like the idea of colleagues losing jobs, but I really don't like the idea of public money entering into the equation.

Lawmakers, state agency meet over newspapers' fate
Eds: APNewsNow. Moving on general news and financial services.
AP Photo HF112
HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) — A coalition of state lawmakers say they have been told of at least one "substantive" negotiation for the sale of several Journal Register Co. newspapers in Connecticut.
The lawmakers met Friday with Joan McDonald, commissioner of the state Department of Economic Development.
They worry about job losses and the negative effect on their districts if the company follows through with its plan to close up to 13 newspapers in Connecticut, including the daily New Britain Herald and Bristol Press.
The company hopes to find a buyer by Jan. 12 to avoid the closures.
Lawmakers want to explore whether the state can offer incentives to possible buyers, including tax credits and low-interest loan programs. They will meet again with McDonald later this month.
 
This is much different than Joey Boombatzio opening a pizzeria.

This is a major conflict of interest, when our credibility — scandals, aside — is the only thing we have left.
 
On one hand, the era of no conflicts of interest at a newspaper are long gone. When noted monopoly Cablevision guts owns Newsday, the lines are so blurred as to not even exist. And the JRC products in CT are so shirtty that they couldn't get any worse.

But on the other hand...not so sure I'd want politicians owning newspapers.

Ahh fork it. I'm going back to school to become a lawyer.
 
wicked said:
I don't like the idea of colleagues losing jobs, but I really don't like the idea of public money entering into the equation.

Lawmakers, state agency meet over newspapers' fate
Eds: APNewsNow. Moving on general news and financial services.
AP Photo HF112
HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) — A coalition of state lawmakers say they have been told of at least one "substantive" negotiation for the sale of several Journal Register Co. newspapers in Connecticut.
The lawmakers met Friday with Joan McDonald, commissioner of the state Department of Economic Development.
They worry about job losses and the negative effect on their districts if the company follows through with its plan to close up to 13 newspapers in Connecticut, including the daily New Britain Herald and Bristol Press.
The company hopes to find a buyer by Jan. 12 to avoid the closures.
Lawmakers want to explore whether the state can offer incentives to possible buyers, including tax credits and low-interest loan programs. They will meet again with McDonald later this month.

I don't think they're talking about anything other than tax incentives and small business loans that are available to any other start-up business or corporation. If that's the case, I've got no problem with this.
 
Joey's Pizza doesn't cover city government, beanpole.

BYH, we've let the foxes in, but no reason to give them the hens, unabated. I don't want government money directly paying for my journalism.

Buck, I think we probably agree mostly on this issue. I get that we need to pay the bills, but there is a point where we need to hang onto the only thing we have -- and that is our credibility.
 

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