Craig Biggio Hall of Famer?

Zeke -- dead to me. :'(

 

Hey, at least I'm consistent.

Santo doesn't get in for being a nice guy, and Blyleven should go despite being a prick.

 

Look more closely at his numbers. He also was a damned good defensive player.

 

Biggio & Manny, already in.

Blyleven, my head says yes, my heart says my head is wrong.

Santo? Haven't looked at the numbers, but how much better was he than the Boyer, Torre, Nettles etc.?

 

Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG TB SH SF IBB HBP GDP
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
1960 20 CHC NL 95 347 44 87 24 2 9 44 0 3 31 44 .251 .311 .409 142 2 2 5 0 9
1961 21 CHC NL 154 578 84 164 32 6 23 83 2 3 73 77 .284 .362 .479 277 1 3 7 0 25
1962 22 CHC NL 162 604 44 137 20 4 17 83 4 1 65 94 .227 .302 .358 216 3 5 5 2 17
1963 23 CHC NL 162 630 79 187 29 6 25 99 6 4 42 92 .297 .339 .481 303 0 11 7 4 17
1964 24 CHC NL 161 592 94 185 33 13 30 114 3 4 86 96 .312 .398 .564 334 0 6 5 2 11
1965 25 CHC NL 164 608 88 173 30 4 33 101 3 1 88 109 .285 .378 .510 310 0 3 7 5 12
1966 26 CHC NL 155 561 93 175 21 8 30 94 4 5 95 78 .312 .412 .538 302 2 8 7 6 16
1967 27 CHC NL 161 586 107 176 23 4 31 98 1 5 96 103 .300 .395 .512 300 0 12 9 3 17
1968 28 CHC NL 162 577 86 142 17 3 26 98 3 4 96 106 .246 .354 .421 243 1 5 7 3 18
1969 29 CHC NL 160 575 97 166 18 4 29 123 1 3 96 97 .289 .384 .485 279 0 14 7 2 21
1970 30 CHC NL 154 555 83 148 30 4 26 114 2 0 92 108 .267 .369 .476 264 1 6 6 1 17
1971 31 CHC NL 154 555 77 148 22 1 21 88 4 0 79 95 .267 .354 .423 235 1 7 8 0 20
1972 32 CHC NL 133 464 68 140 25 5 17 74 1 4 69 75 .302 .391 .487 226 2 8 5 4 13
1973 33 CHC NL 149 536 65 143 29 2 20 77 1 2 63 97 .267 .348 .440 236 0 1 8 4 27
1974 34 CHW AL 117 375 29 83 12 1 5 41 0 2 37 72 .221 .293 .299 112 0 3 1 2 16
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
15 Seasons 8143 2254 67 1331 41 1343 .277 .362 .464 13 94 94 38 256
2243 1138 365 342 35 1108 3779

 

Santo -- No fucking way. Sorry, Doc. Doesn't mean he's not the greatest 3B in Cubs history. But he shouldn't be in Cooperstown. He was Ken Boyer without the rapid decline (plus, he retired at 34).

Blyleven -- fuck, dude, I wish the standard had been strict enough not to allow Sutton in (of course, that would be a couple dozen other pitchers wouldn't be in, either.) I think dominance and longetivity should not be equal; I think you have to be at least a little dominant, and dominant for at least 4-5 years, to deserve a spot. ... But because the standard is what it is, Bert's gotta be in.

Rice -- goes back to dominance. And he was ... for 12 fucking years! He deserves to go.

Murphy -- same thing. Two-time MVP, back to back. He was a dominant outfielder in his prime, from 1982-87. He should be in.

Jack Morris -- also the same. THE dominant pitcher of his era, hands down. Game 7 elevates him to a legend. He should also be in.

 

Santo's probabilty, according to James' formula: (from baseball reference)

Black Ink: Batting - 11 (203) (Average HOFer ~ 27)
Gray Ink: Batting - 147 (88) (Average HOFer ~ 144)
HOF Standards: Batting - 40.9 (138) (Average HOFer ~ 50)
HOF Monitor: Batting - 88.0 (177) (Likely HOFer > 100)
Overall Rank in parentheses.

Doc --
Even with the Gold Gloves the dude's borderline at the very best.

As for bert, the CG's, K's, and one of the nastiest hooks of all time should be enough to put him and his 294 wins (I think that's right) over the top.

I'm convinced that if Bert were a deaf mute, he'd be in already.

 

Agreed, Zeke. He is borderline. But, combine his image with his announcing and JDRF work, and he should get in at some point while he's still alive. All I'm saying.

 

Bert being out has nothing to do with his mouth or his personality.

It has everything to do with 287 wins -- ("29 is not 30, Eddie" and 287 is not 300) -- and the fact that Blyleven was never considered a dominant starter in his career. Ever.

 

Hey, it's not like I'll boycott if he gets in.

And buck, you and I have almost the same thinking when it comes to this stuff.

Rice has to go before Murphy, though.

Rice has to go, period.

 

Blyleven -- He should be in. Shutouts, strikeouts, World Series champ (two-time champ, Pirates 1979 and Twins 1987), one of the best curveballs in all of baseball. Master of the hot foot!

Goose Gossage -- Should have joined Sutter this year!

 

Nolan Ryan
5,714
1

Roger Clemens
4,502
2

Randy Johnson
4,372
3

Steve Carlton
4,136
4

Bert Blyleven
3,701
5

Tom Seaver
3,640
6

Don Sutton
3,574
7

Gaylord Perry
3,534
8

Walter Johnson
3,508
9

Phil Niekro
3,342
10


EVERYBODY else on this list is in or will go on the first ballot.

EVERYBODY.