David Cone and Orel Hershiser

[Bubbler]

Tell me, MankyJimy, you don't happen to do Youtube videos about fitness and steroids-in-baseball do you?

And pertaining to that, do you pull provably, demonstratively hot chicks?

 

[MankyJimy]

I've said this before but the electorate needs to re-examine the case of Dave Kingman.
What an amazing power hitter. He hit 35 homers with 94 RBIs in his final year, if he had been allowed to return in 1987 with the juicy ball I believe Maris' record would have fell a decade early.

Congratulations. You just posted something regarding baseball even more foolish than the Jeter slurping. All he did was hit home runs and he only had 442 of them to go with a .236 batting average and .302 on-base percentage.

But hey, he does fit in with your habit of ignoring the defensive shortcomings of players you advocate.

He was one of the best ever at hitting home runs. I realize he wasn't as strong in other areas but I overlook that. I would also vote for Vince Coleman for the HOF.

That doesn't exactly help your argument, though it was beyond help anyway.

I believe that with the right arguments a majority of the voters can be persuaded to vote for Kingman, if he were allowed back on the ballot. Blyleven also started out with a small % of the vote and slowly built up to the 75%

 

[MankyJimy]

Tell me, MankyJimy, you don't happen to do Youtube videos about fitness and steroids-in-baseball do you?

And pertaining to that, do you pull provably, demonstratively hot chicks?

Nope, you must have me confused with someone else.

 

[Bubbler]

Tell me, MankyJimy, you don't happen to do Youtube videos about fitness and steroids-in-baseball do you?

And pertaining to that, do you pull provably, demonstratively hot chicks?

Nope, you must have me confused with someone else.

That's what I was hoping to hear. Congrats! You have his new job! Wear it well!

 

[Bulldog Smoltz]

Morris turned in the greatest Game 7 pitching performance in World Series history.

Sandy Koufax just whizzed one past your ear. On two days' rest.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/MIN/MIN196510140.shtml

Yes, sir!

 

[Bulldog Smoltz]

I've said this before but the electorate needs to re-examine the case of Dave Kingman.
What an amazing power hitter. He hit 35 homers with 94 RBIs in his final year, if he had been allowed to return in 1987 with the juicy ball I believe Maris' record would have fell a decade early.

Congratulations. You just posted something regarding baseball even more foolish than the Jeter slurping. All he did was hit home runs and he only had 442 of them to go with a .236 batting average and .302 on-base percentage.

But hey, he does fit in with your habit of ignoring the defensive shortcomings of players you advocate.

He was one of the best ever at hitting home runs. I realize he wasn't as strong in other areas but I overlook that. I would also vote for Vince Coleman for the HOF.

That doesn't exactly help your argument, though it was beyond help anyway.

I believe that with the right arguments a majority of the voters can be persuaded to vote for Kingman, if he were allowed back on the ballot. Blyleven also started out with a small % of the vote and slowly built up to the 75%

I'm glad Blyleven made it into the HoF. Now we don't have to hear him talk about how great he was and how he deserves to be in the HoF. I'm not a fan of self promoters.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

Where Kingman's name is interesting is with the comparison to McGwire. They were very, very similar, one dimensional players and neither is deserving of going anywhere near Cooperstown.

Both were complete douchebags too.

 

[sgreenwell]

Where Kingman's name is interesting is with the comparison to McGwire. They were very, very similar, one dimensional players and neither is deserving of going anywhere near Cooperstown.

Both were complete douchebags too.

McGwire was a heck of a better player than Kingman. McGwire had a good batting eye; for his career, his OBP was 130 points higher than his batting average, which is usually the sign of a patient hitter. In comparison, Kingman's swing was about 70 points, and his batting average was much lower for the career, in the .230s.

 

[JC]

Where Kingman's name is interesting is with the comparison to McGwire. They were very, very similar, one dimensional players and neither is deserving of going anywhere near Cooperstown.

Both were complete douchebags too.

they weren't similar at all

 

[BrianGriffin]

I've said this before but the electorate needs to re-examine the case of Dave Kingman.
What an amazing power hitter. He hit 35 homers with 94 RBIs in his final year, if he had been allowed to return in 1987 with the juicy ball I believe Maris' record would have fell a decade early.

Congratulations. You just posted something regarding baseball even more foolish than the Jeter slurping. All he did was hit home runs and he only had 442 of them to go with a .236 batting average and .302 on-base percentage.

But hey, he does fit in with your habit of ignoring the defensive shortcomings of players you advocate.

He was one of the best ever at hitting home runs. I realize he wasn't as strong in other areas but I overlook that. I would also vote for Vince Coleman for the HOF.

Kingman was a good home run hitter, period. To me, that makes him an interesting side note, not a Hall-of-Famer. The amazing thing to me about Kingman is he kept getting at-bats as opposed to, say, Rob Deer, who was essentially the same player only the game lacked patience for his lack of patience at the plate. At least Deer would draw walks. But given 2,800 more at-bats, Deer may have matched Kingman. But who was going to give that many more wasted at-bats to a Deer or Kingman by mid-90s?

 

[cyclingwriter]

I've said this before but the electorate needs to re-examine the case of Dave Kingman.
What an amazing power hitter. He hit 35 homers with 94 RBIs in his final year, if he had been allowed to return in 1987 with the juicy ball I believe Maris' record would have fell a decade early.

Congratulations. You just posted something regarding baseball even more foolish than the Jeter slurping. All he did was hit home runs and he only had 442 of them to go with a .236 batting average and .302 on-base percentage.

But hey, he does fit in with your habit of ignoring the defensive shortcomings of players you advocate.

He was one of the best ever at hitting home runs. I realize he wasn't as strong in other areas but I overlook that. I would also vote for Vince Coleman for the HOF.

Kingman was a good home run hitter, period. To me, that makes him an interesting side note, not a Hall-of-Famer. The amazing thing to me about Kingman is he kept getting at-bats as opposed to, say, Rob Deer, who was essentially the same player only the game lacked patience for his lack of patience at the plate. At least Deer would draw walks. But given 2,800 more at-bats, Deer may have matched Kingman. But who was going to give that many more wasted at-bats to a Deer or Kingman by mid-90s?

That is an interesting question because Deer (if I remember correctly) also had a great arm in right, so in theory he was more valuable than Kingman. So why did Kingman get a long career?

I am going to say two things (both hypothesis)
1. Kingman came up in the 1970s where hitting homeruns was slight tougher, but more esteemed. Ie..most scouts, gms and fans thought it was more important than a guy who drew walks, bunted, ran the bases properly, but had no power). Therefore he stuck around. Deer came up just as things such as Baseball Abstract was catching attention and some teams, scouts, gms..they eventually realized Deer had a relative lack of worth despite his homers.

2. Kingman had "potential." He had been the no. 1 overall draft pick in 1970, was 6-6, and looked athletic. He got to play because managers thought they could maybe unleash his full ability.

Like I said, these are just stabs...because it is a good question.

 

[qtlaw]

Rob Deer, master of the 30 HRS/60 RBI line.