Detroit meltdown thread: McThug gets 28 years in PMITA prison

[Starman]

Re: Hey Mr. Mayor, about that affair you didn't have... UPDATED W/ 50% more evidence

City council votes to begin forfeiture (impeachment) proceedings, and also asks the governor to remove Kilpatrick from office, which she may do according to the state constitution.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080513/NEWS01/80513057/0/OPINION01

The governor, so far, has used the usual bullshirt excuse that she intends to wait until "the legal process runs it course" (which will of course take years) before considering removing Kilpatrick.

The relevant law does not require a criminal conviction, only that the governor is satisfied the mayor is guilty of "official misconduct." Anyone who would not consider Kilpatrick's antics as "official misconduct" should themselves be removed from office.

Granholm is term-limited, and thus doesn't have to worry about any backlash from Detroit voters. She is free to do -- believe it or not -- what she actually thinks is right.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

Re: Hey Mr. Mayor, about that affair you didn't have... UPDATED W/ 50% more evid

OK, is it possible -- just possible -- that the prosecutors have gone to Granholm and said, look, don't do this, because it sets up a serious argument that the jury pool will be poisoned if she noisily removes him from office before a trial, thereby making it tougher for them to put him away. Where would they change the venue? Saskatchewan?
Not lawyer enough to know for sure, but it seems logical.

 

[Starman]

Re: Hey Mr. Mayor, about that affair you didn't have... UPDATED W/ 50% more evid

OK, is it possible -- just possible -- that the prosecutors have gone to Granholm and said, look, don't do this, because it sets up a serious argument that the jury pool will be poisoned if she noisily removes him from office before a trial, thereby making it tougher for them to put him away. Where would they change the venue? Saskatchewan?
Not lawyer enough to know for sure, but it seems logical.

Kwame's legal beagles will race-card to the moon anyway, so who the heck cares? The most important thing for the city of Detroit (and the entire region, and by extension the entire state) is getting the freeloading criminal thug out of office as soon as possible, like in the next 15 minutes.

Once he's out of office, he no longer has access to the city's legal protection, thus the seven-figure legal bills he will be running up will come out of his own ass (or those idiotic enough to contribute to his defense fund), not the taxpayers'.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

Re: Hey Mr. Mayor, about that affair you didn't have... UPDATED W/ 50% more evidence

OK, is it possible -- just possible -- that the prosecutors have gone to Granholm and said, look, don't do this, because it sets up a serious argument that the jury pool will be poisoned if she noisily removes him from office before a trial, thereby making it tougher for them to put him away. Where would they change the venue? Saskatchewan?
Not lawyer enough to know for sure, but it seems logical.

Kwame's legal beagles will race-card to the moon anyway, so who the heck cares? The most important thing for the city of Detroit (and the entire region, and by extension the entire state) is getting the freeloading criminal thug out of office as soon as possible.

Once he's out of office, he no longer has access to the city's legal protection, thus the seven-figure legal bills he will be running up will come out of his own ass (or those idiotic enough to contribute to his defense fund), not the taxpayers'.

No, the important thing is convicting him.
Anything that makes that harder, and is avoidable, should be avoided.

 

[Armchair_QB]

Re: Hey Mr. Mayor, about that affair you didn't have... UPDATED W/ 50% more evidence

OK, is it possible -- just possible -- that the prosecutors have gone to Granholm and said, look, don't do this, because it sets up a serious argument that the jury pool will be poisoned if she noisily removes him from office before a trial, thereby making it tougher for them to put him away. Where would they change the venue? Saskatchewan?
Not lawyer enough to know for sure, but it seems logical.

Kwame's legal beagles will race-card to the moon anyway, so who the heck cares? The most important thing for the city of Detroit (and the entire region, and by extension the entire state) is getting the freeloading criminal thug out of office as soon as possible.

Once he's out of office, he no longer has access to the city's legal protection, thus the seven-figure legal bills he will be running up will come out of his own ass (or those idiotic enough to contribute to his defense fund), not the taxpayers'.

No, the important thing is convicting him.
Anything that makes that harder, and is avoidable, should be avoided.

But if Mayor McThug has to start paying his own legal bills wouldn't that make convicting him that much easier?

 

[Starman]

Re: Hey Mr. Mayor, about that affair you didn't have... UPDATED W/ 50% more evid

Once he's out of office, his hand is out of the public till. That's where the real damage is being done (unless you count the murdered strippers, of course).

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

Re: Hey Mr. Mayor, about that affair you didn't have... UPDATED W/ 50% more evidence

OK, is it possible -- just possible -- that the prosecutors have gone to Granholm and said, look, don't do this, because it sets up a serious argument that the jury pool will be poisoned if she noisily removes him from office before a trial, thereby making it tougher for them to put him away. Where would they change the venue? Saskatchewan?
Not lawyer enough to know for sure, but it seems logical.

Kwame's legal beagles will race-card to the moon anyway, so who the heck cares? The most important thing for the city of Detroit (and the entire region, and by extension the entire state) is getting the freeloading criminal thug out of office as soon as possible.

Once he's out of office, he no longer has access to the city's legal protection, thus the seven-figure legal bills he will be running up will come out of his own ass (or those idiotic enough to contribute to his defense fund), not the taxpayers'.

No, the important thing is convicting him.
Anything that makes that harder, and is avoidable, should be avoided.

But if Mayor McThug has to start paying his own legal bills wouldn't that make convicting him that much easier?

Not if you can't get a jury.
All's I'm saying is that Granholm's decision to hold fire on removing him may be supported by the prosecutionas well as the defense.

 

[Armchair_QB]

Re: Hey Mr. Mayor, about that affair you didn't have... UPDATED W/ 50% more evidence

OK, is it possible -- just possible -- that the prosecutors have gone to Granholm and said, look, don't do this, because it sets up a serious argument that the jury pool will be poisoned if she noisily removes him from office before a trial, thereby making it tougher for them to put him away. Where would they change the venue? Saskatchewan?
Not lawyer enough to know for sure, but it seems logical.

Kwame's legal beagles will race-card to the moon anyway, so who the heck cares? The most important thing for the city of Detroit (and the entire region, and by extension the entire state) is getting the freeloading criminal thug out of office as soon as possible.

Once he's out of office, he no longer has access to the city's legal protection, thus the seven-figure legal bills he will be running up will come out of his own ass (or those idiotic enough to contribute to his defense fund), not the taxpayers'.

No, the important thing is convicting him.
Anything that makes that harder, and is avoidable, should be avoided.

But if Mayor McThug has to start paying his own legal bills wouldn't that make convicting him that much easier?

Not if you can't get a jury.
All's I'm saying is that Granholm's decision to hold fire on removing him may be supported by the prosecutionas well as the defense.

Could they not request a change of venue? Like to Ishpeming?

 

[mustangj17]

Re: Hey Mr. Mayor, about that affair you didn't have... UPDATED W/ 50% more evidence

OK, is it possible -- just possible -- that the prosecutors have gone to Granholm and said, look, don't do this, because it sets up a serious argument that the jury pool will be poisoned if she noisily removes him from office before a trial, thereby making it tougher for them to put him away. Where would they change the venue? Saskatchewan?
Not lawyer enough to know for sure, but it seems logical.

Kwame's legal beagles will race-card to the moon anyway, so who the heck cares? The most important thing for the city of Detroit (and the entire region, and by extension the entire state) is getting the freeloading criminal thug out of office as soon as possible.

Once he's out of office, he no longer has access to the city's legal protection, thus the seven-figure legal bills he will be running up will come out of his own ass (or those idiotic enough to contribute to his defense fund), not the taxpayers'.

No, the important thing is convicting him.
Anything that makes that harder, and is avoidable, should be avoided.

But if Mayor McThug has to start paying his own legal bills wouldn't that make convicting him that much easier?

Not if you can't get a jury.
All's I'm saying is that Granholm's decision to hold fire on removing him may be supported by the prosecutionas well as the defense.

Could they not request a change of venue? Like to Ishpeming?

The Hemotites would find him guilty for sure.

 

[Starman]

Re: Hey Mr. Mayor, about that affair you didn't have... UPDATED W/ 50% more evidence

Could they not request a change of venue? Like to Ishpeming?

The Hematites would find him guilty for sure.

No way in flaming freaking heck Kwame's attorneys go for a change of venue -- in the city of Detroit, with an 80% African-American population (and thus, jury pool) they have a fighting chance of succeeding with their race-carding defense strategy (although virtually all polls indicate city residents have largely had enough of his crap, too).

If they go outstate, not a chance.

 

[tapintoamerica]

Re: Hey Mr. Mayor, about that affair you didn't have... UPDATED W/ 50% more evidence

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080514/NEWS01/805140373

Seems to me this statement might be a big premature: "Much of the pending criminal case stems from an illicit affair between Kilpatrick and Beatty. The two lied under oath in a police whistle-blower case when they denied an affair and offered misleading testimony about the firing of Deputy Chief Gary Brown."

They have been charged with perjury, but the matter hasn't been resolved yet, has it? (And, yeah, I suspect the mayor is quite guilty. Just pointing out something journalistically here.)

 

[slappy4428]

Re: Hey Mr. Mayor, about that affair you didn't have... UPDATED W/ 50% more evidence

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080514/NEWS01/805140373

Seems to me this statement might be a big premature: "Much of the pending criminal case stems from an illicit affair between Kilpatrick and Beatty. The two lied under oath in a police whistle-blower case when they denied an affair and offered misleading testimony about the firing of Deputy Chief Gary Brown."

They have been charged with perjury, but the matter hasn't been resolved yet, has it? (And, yeah, I suspect the mayor is quite guilty. Just pointing out something journalistically here.)

Yeah, that bothered me too. Tho I suspect that they are trumpeting their text message findings.