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enough about conflict of interest, let's see some APSE results!

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by spankys, Feb 25, 2008.

  1. 2muchcoffeeman

    2muchcoffeeman Well-Known Member

    Don't forget the Under-5 FTE.
     
  2. pseudo

    pseudo Well-Known Member

    Didn't see this one posted yet (and believe me, I would've noticed if it had been)...

    UNDER 40,000: GAME STORY
    Elyria Chronicle-Telegram: Kevin Aprile
    Santa Fe New Mexican: James Barron
    Albany Herald: Paul Dehner Jr.
    Tucson Citizen: Anthony Gimino
    Lorain (Ohio) Morning Journal: Matt Goul
    Glen Falls Post-Star: Tim McManus
    Hamilton Journal News: Jay Morrison
    Northwest Herald: Nick Pietruszkiewicz
    Olean Times Herald: Chuck Pollock
    Northwest Herald: Joe Stevenson

    Congrats to all.
     
  3. shotglass

    shotglass Guest

    How many newspapers are in the 40-100K?
     
  4. Frank_Ridgeway

    Frank_Ridgeway Well-Known Member

    Shot: Mile High posted the figures earlier on the thread
     
  5. playthrough

    playthrough Moderator Staff Member

    I used to work at one of the four, and knowing how the bosses liked their APSE love (quite flowing in most years), this has to be a very, very bad week.
     
  6. Simon_Cowbell

    Simon_Cowbell Active Member

    Like someone else pointed out.... if being top 10 only ensures you of being in the 71st percentile, then more papers need to be added to the mix.

    What a farce that larger category is.
     
  7. Simon_Cowbell

    Simon_Cowbell Active Member

    By "won", do you mean Top 10?
     
  8. Frank_Ridgeway

    Frank_Ridgeway Well-Known Member

    No, top 20.
     
  9. FreddiePatek

    FreddiePatek Active Member

    As it concerns under 40K (and, actually, any of the divisions): Don't confuse number of entries/entrants with quality of competition. In my experience with judging, yes, there are fewer entries in the over 250K, but each entry is lights-out. Seriously good material. Also, in my experience, the same can't be said about the under-40. Yes, there are more entries in the under-40K, but half (and this year, more than that) could be tossed almost immediately. Just keeping it real here.

    Second, going to an earlier point someone made, it's not the over 250s who are afraid of the competition. It's the slender group of 175-250 who don't want to go against the over 250s. Let's be crystal clear on that point. In every single one of the proposed new divisions, it's the smaller papers that would be bumped up who are complaining the most.

    And for the record, I have no dog in this hunt. My paper is neither over 250 or under 40 and would not have been affected by any of the changes.
     
  10. Frank_Ridgeway

    Frank_Ridgeway Well-Known Member

    If every entry impresses you, revise your standards. Sorry, but when all but four sections win a section award, the awards are meaningless.

    Couldn't the over-250s and the rest outvote that "slender group of 175-250K?"

    Seriously, it's a joke. You have papers that call themselves major metros every day but contest days. Can you imagine what some of those editors would say if you called them a nice little Class AAA paper? Cheap awards.
     
  11. hwkcrz1

    hwkcrz1 Member

    My paper is a 90,000 circulation, and I was in favor of the circulation category changes. This probably would have hurt my paper's chances of winning a section award, but that's not the issue here. The issue here is getting more smaller papers to join APSE, and I think some would do that if they had a chance to win a section award in the contest.
     
  12. FreddiePatek

    FreddiePatek Active Member

    No, they couldn't out-vote that group or any other group. The vote was not open to full membership.

    As for every entry "impressing" me, that's not my point. The point is, the gap in quality is much smaller than it is for the smaller categories. Also, so what if all but four won a top 20 in sections? Only one managed a triple crown, I believe. The fact that 30 placed proved just how close these papers are in quality.

    That said, I'm with everyone who was for the change in classifications. My shop flat-out whipped shops twice our size in our division and I know there would be smaller papers moving up that could probably do the same to us.
     
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