FROM 2012 INTO 2013 POLITICS THREAD

outofplace · May 23, 2013

old_tony said:

Boom_70 said:

old_tony said:

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2013/05/21/obama-the-media-and-national-security/only-nixon-harmed-a-free-press-more

The Times gets the lawyer who represented them in the Pentagon Papers to write an op-ed. He basically says Obama is worse than Nixon was.

Until President Obama came into office, no one thought talking or emailing was not protected by the First Amendment. President Obama wants to criminalize the reporting of national security information.
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But unable to hide the bias, Times puts headline on it that says: "Only Nixon Harmed a Free Press More"

Here's a hint for Times headline writers:

The government's subpoena of The Associated Press's phone records was bad enough. But the disclosure of the search warrant in the Rosen case shows President Obama has delved into territory never before reached by previous presidents.
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Nixon is included in "previous presidents."
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The free press did a pretty good job on Nixon, so I would say it was pretty even.

Good to see though that The Bill of Rights has become important again in only a
matter of a few weeks. The Times and The NRA now praying from the same pew.

Chilling
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That's the thing that really mystifies me. The press as a whole has been so in the tank for Obama that it makes no sense at all to do something that will get them to finally start reporting accurately on you. Sure, Fox reported accurately on Obama, but the other 98% if outlets just shouted them down.

As Jay Leno said, Fox is now able to change its slogan from "Fair and Balanced" to "See, I told you so."
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No, it really isn't. Fox News is still a joke even when President Obama or other Democrats do give them something worth attacking.

Starman · May 23, 2013

LongTimeListener said:

So when Obama is impeached and removed from office, as long it's after the midpoint of this term that means Biden can still run twice, right? So we could have 16 years of the Obama-Biden regime?

I am liking the inevitability of impeachment.
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No, their usual plan is that "Biden can be impeached too" since he is in on all the schemes. They'd make it a 2-for-1 deal. Actually, technically, they'd take out Biden first.

Their end game ends up with President Boehner.

Boom_70 · May 23, 2013

Starman said:

LongTimeListener said:

So when Obama is impeached and removed from office, as long it's after the midpoint of this term that means Biden can still run twice, right? So we could have 16 years of the Obama-Biden regime?

I am liking the inevitability of impeachment.
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No, their usual plan is that "Biden can be impeached too" since he is in on all the schemes. They'd make it a 2-for-1 deal. Actually, technically, they'd take out Biden first.

Their end game ends up with President Boehner.
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Be like when Charles Logan took over for David Palmer

Starman · May 23, 2013

You have to admit, if they pulled it off, it'd be a real "coup."

LongTimeListener · May 23, 2013

Armchair_QB said:

Boom_70 said:

LongTimeListener said:

Looks like the senators were writing to the IRS with complaints that political groups were masquerading as social-welfare organizations to get bullshit non-profit status.

Senators write letters all the time. Any letter to, say, the Department of Energy asking for an investigation into its funding as a green energy start-up would fall into the same category.

Also it is worth noting, again, that the vast majority of these groups are/were, in fact, conservative organizations. If 90 percent of the organizations reviewed were conservative, that is perfectly fine because 90 percent of the organizations are conservative.
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How do you feel about targeting minorities in stop and frisk since they commit
50 % of the nations murders and are only 10 % of the population?

Better yet how about only sending Muslims through airline security since they
commit majority of terrorist acts.
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BUT THAT'S DIFFERENT!!!!
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Based on constitutional matters, it's quite different. Do minorities form groups taking advantage of tax codes, or are they just being minorities and being stopped for that?

You've made it very clear that you're all in favor of classifying people by skin color, AQB. But being the constitutional scholar you are, you should see that racial profiling doesn't fly.

Dick Whitman · May 23, 2013

Racial profiling is not necessarily unconstitutional.

Armchair_QB · May 23, 2013

LongTimeListener said:

Armchair_QB said:

Boom_70 said:

LongTimeListener said:

Looks like the senators were writing to the IRS with complaints that political groups were masquerading as social-welfare organizations to get bullshit non-profit status.

Senators write letters all the time. Any letter to, say, the Department of Energy asking for an investigation into its funding as a green energy start-up would fall into the same category.

Also it is worth noting, again, that the vast majority of these groups are/were, in fact, conservative organizations. If 90 percent of the organizations reviewed were conservative, that is perfectly fine because 90 percent of the organizations are conservative.
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How do you feel about targeting minorities in stop and frisk since they commit
50 % of the nations murders and are only 10 % of the population?

Better yet how about only sending Muslims through airline security since they
commit majority of terrorist acts.
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BUT THAT'S DIFFERENT!!!!
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Based on constitutional matters, it's quite different. Do minorities form groups taking advantage of tax codes, or are they just being minorities and being stopped for that?

You've made it very clear that you're all in favor of classifying people by skin color, AQB. But being the constitutional scholar you are, you should see that racial profiling doesn't fly.
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The fuck I have.

LongTimeListener · May 23, 2013

You know what's great about all this? The simple truth that it doesn't matter. We are 18 months away from a meaningless election -- not that midterms are necessarily meaningless, but the GOP already has tyranny of the minority in the Senate so the four-corners strategy is already in place and they can't gain anything of value in 2014. But anyway, we're 18 months away from that, and 42 months away from the next biggie, and 95 percent of the public is still so tired from the 2012 election that they aren't paying attention yet.

Boom trolled this on the last page, because that's what Boom-troll does, but it actually works out pretty well for the Democrats that all this comes out now and will be a faded memory by 2014 and nonexistent by 2016. But really the big winner and the big pusher of this is Fox News and the cable cabal. After Obama won the first time, Fox reached record ratings by beating the Tea Party drum (the Tea Party percentages being exact mirrors of the percentages of Americans who believed Obama was born in Kenya and/or a Mooslim, of course). They must have seen ratings dip in the last couple of months so now they have their new ratings binky. And none of the other cable nets mind because it drives their ratings too. So this is just really taking a propane torch to something in order to generate heat in the form of ratings.

It's going to be great in three years to look back on this and wonder what the fuck the fuss was.

Boom_70 · May 23, 2013

LongTimeListener said:

Looks like the senators were writing to the IRS with complaints that political groups were masquerading as social-welfare organizations to get bullshit non-profit status.

Senators write letters all the time. Any letter to, say, the Department of Energy asking for an investigation into its funding as a green energy start-up would fall into the same category.

Also it is worth noting, again, that the vast majority of these groups are/were, in fact, conservative organizations. If 90 percent of the organizations reviewed were conservative, that is perfectly fine because 90 percent of the organizations are conservative.
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Wonder how much of their concern came as a result of Citizens United decision.

3_Octave_Fart · May 23, 2013

One from the No Shit Department:
Lois Lerner, the picture of the type of worthless functionary who nestles in very snugly within this administration, didn't begin her program of abuse with the IRS.
She was also systematically intimidating conservatives, as far as I can determine to the exclusion of any other political ideology, when she was the head of the enforcement office of the Federal Election Commission in the '80s and '90s.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/irss-lerner-had-history-harassment-inappropriate-religious-inquiries-fec_725004.html

Boom_70 · May 23, 2013

3_Octave_Fart said:

One from the No Shit Department:
Lois Lerner, the picture of the type of worthless functionary who nestles in very snugly within this administration, didn't begin her program of abuse with the IRS.
She was also systematically intimidating conservatives, as far as I can determine to the exclusion of any other political ideology, when she was the head of the enforcement office of the Federal Election Commission in the '80s and '90s.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/irss-lerner-had-history-harassment-inappropriate-religious-inquiries-fec_725004.html
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Once again it's been reaffirmed that civil servants are an inept bunch as a whole. All cut from the same cloth. You can't learn to be a bureaucrat. It's innate.

3_Octave_Fart · May 23, 2013

She probably fancies herself a junior Hillary.
This is exactly the kind of cockroach that hides behind the might of the IRS.

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