George Will on global warming

http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_020607_news_taylor_title.59f5d04a.html

Not exactly a right-wing website.

But the point remains: Whether or not he won't be fired or lose any income, dissent is not to be tolerated.

 

As I just told Fenian, the entire point is that your side is the one in fear -- fear of dissent. The governor fears dissent on the issue to the extent that he made a news story about stripping a title that hadn't existed for 18 years. You don't find that strange?

I thought Hillary claimed a couple years ago that dissent is American. Apparently it's only a one-way street, too.

 

Your wit knows no bound. Sadly, that's not an improvement over your usual tripe about paste.

 

The charge of "dissent is not to be tolerated" on the left is a knee-slapper from a supporter of the administration that thinks nothing of scrubbling information it doesn't agree with from government health-services Websites or pushing aside generals or attorneys that refuse to toe the party line.

Don't throw any rocks, tony. You're surrounded by glass in all directions.

And, as I'm hopeful that the third time is the charm, answer the fucking questions: When your MIT source claimed that the Earth is cooler now than in the 1930s, was he right or wrong? And what does the answer to that question say about the credibility of his other environmental claims?

 

Let's see.
He didn't lose the job because the job hasn;t existed in 18 years.
He's still got his job at OSU.
He just won't get to put the job that doesn't exist on his resume any more.
He's being oppressed!

 

Nowhere on this thread did I say Lindzen said the 1930s were warmer, but here is a chart of temperatures from the 1930s and now.

years avg min-max std
1934-1939 6.4 / 5.8-7.2 / 6
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1988-1992 6.5 / 5.9-7.1 / 5
1993-1998 5.6 / 4.9-6.2 / 5
1999-2005 6.3 / 5.6-7.2 / 5

That's average overall temp in celsius. 6.4 from '34-'39, 6.3 from '99-'05. In what math class did you learn that 6.4 is less than 6.3, because I'd sure ask for that teacher's salary to be returned to the taxpayers.

And if that doesn't satisfy you, check out this USA Today story:

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/2006-09-13-hottest-summer_x.htm

In the accompanying chart, five of the 10 hottest summers were in the 1930s, four in the 2000s and one in 1988. So, we're about as warm (or slightly cooler) than we were in the 1930s, whether you like it or not.

 

Thank you Tony.

Doesn't this all sound a helluva lot like Y2K? Only there's not one solid date to point to when we'll all know it's a lot of over-hyped bullshit.

 

Exactly. But the difference is that the global warming crowd wants to completely avoid any debate. It's like trying to get a pro-capitalism debate going in Pravda. Of what are these guys so afraid?

 

Tony, that ought to be quite simple:

They're afraid of the truth.

 

Fenian with an agenda? What the....

 

Omigod, everybody's buying into this hoax -- even McCain!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6364663.stm

 

God, I feel like Bob Barker in Happy Gilmore.

"Back for more, eh?"

Actually, you did. Twice:

ON EDIT: I was under the impression that these came from Lindzen, because it was difficult to keep track of all of your cut and pastes. A Google search determined that the questions came from the Web page of a noted environmental authority: Charlie Sykes, a right-wing radio host in Milwaukee. My apologies, tony.

By the way, here's one of the topics on Sykes' show today: "Would it be too cynical to think that the leaders of the Democratic Party are actively pursuing an approach to Iraq that would cost more American soldier's [sic] lives and ensure that we lose in Iraq?"

Hey, with poignant insight like that, who can possibly doubt the veracity of his global-warming views?

Please check your numbers before you cut and paste. My teachers taught me well enough to know that anyone claiming the Earth's average temperature is 6.3 degrees celsius is probably full of shit.

Do you have a link to this vaunted chart, which might explain how your source compiled celsius temperatures of (on average) eight degrees less than what NASA — or any other reputable source, none that I've seen suggesting that the Earth was warmer in the 1930s — has? According to your source, the average temperature on the planet from 1999-2005 was 43 degrees Fahrenheit, which means the Earth's orbit got bumped a few million miles farther from the Sun while nobody was looking.

I previously posted a link to an average temperatures table, in celsius. My figures originated from the NASA Goddard Space Flight Center. Yours . . . well, can you tell us?

Oh, and we're limiting argument to the summers in the U.S. now? Classic conservative tactic, which you've displayed all over this thread: Move the goalposts, change the parameters of the debate, and try to pretend it's still the same debate. It must have taken quite a few Google searches to find evidence that supports your side, but you had to narrow the field of discussion substantially to do it.

That Yawn was among those who came on here and applauded this intellectual dishonesty is no surprise.

I can link you to stories — as I did earlier in this thread — stating that 2005 was the hottest year on record, and 2006 wasn't far behind. Guess they weren't counting U.S. summers during the 1930s.

Next from old tony: How the average temperature in Parsippany, N.J., on Aug. 6 of even-numbered years is cooler than in the 1930s, and that's proof that the 99 percent of the scientific community that believes in global warming are frauds.