Globe and Mail reports that NHL may be loaning money to Phoenix Coyotes

Gotcha. Arizona is like Indiana, right, where some parts do DST and some don't? I always thought they were two.

 

Correct, I believe. (Definitely Arizona, at least.)

 

PC, how did they draw in downtown Phoenix compared to Glendale?

 

About 15,000 for the first four season in Phoenix, when the team had Tkachuk and Roenick.

http://www.hockeydb.com/nhl-attendance/att_graph.php?tmi=7450

 

This is stupid:

Um, the team can still leave in five years. That doesn't lift the dark cloud of instability.

 

Correct - and that meant roughly 3,000 a night in obstructed view tickets.

That's what's particularly aggravating in all of this: in a decent location, the support is there. The arena wasn't viable long-term, but crowds would not be an issue if the team wasn't on the edge of the earth.

 

Consensus from the room seems to be forming around a 4-3 vote in favor of the deal. Not what I expected, but it's not totally illogical.

EDIT: Apparently a lot of people's cells are going off because of an oncoming haboob (dust storm). This has nothing to do with the Coyotes, I just wanted to write about a haboob.

 

This has been embarrassing. If you own a house in Gongdale, move.

 

Thanks for the lecture on municipal economics in the States. Still a better city than many holes throughout the country.

When you take your trip to Pennsylvania, ask the locals what they pay in property and local income tax, plus the services they get. Compare that with Glendale, and Glendale still comes out ahead by a wide margin.

 

Are you watching this shit show?

 

The mayor is out-of-his-depth here. Wanted a two-week delay and retaining the city's out clause when it wasn't negotiable. Like it or not, the NHL held the cards. Plus, the city would have to fork over $25 million to the NHL in the coming weeks if the lease isn't passed.

 

It still strikes me as more of a management screw up than anything else. What are their options for selling the team? Or are things so past screwed up, that no decent businessman would touch it?

Phoenix is one of the 10 largest metro areas in the United States. Lots of people and, I suspect, more than enough corporations to tap into for sponsors if you sell it the right way. Yes, I know it's a crowded market. But Phoenix is larger than Denver, which also has four pro teams and a couple of D-I colleges less than an hour away.

I realize the potential upside is greater in Phoenix than Winnipeg. But all this should have been thought through before the original move.