Jonathan Martin and the Miami Dolphins

[Mizzougrad96]

If the sexuality rumors are true, I wonder if a coach as devoutly religious as Philbin might look the other way on this kind of thing...

 

[britwrit]

Stuff like that has been going on forever. heck, we even had that in high school. Most just accepted it as part of the locker room culture, not that it's good, but you just sort of accepted it.

That being said, this might the first time he's had to deal with something like this, even considering the fact that he might be in the closet. On previous teams, he'd be a star player. Otherwise, who's going to bully a 300-pound offensive tackle?

 

[Starman]

It's the job of the coaching staff and the 'team leaders' to put the hammer on shirt like this.

Without even knowing what the nature of the 'hazing and bullying' is, bottom line is people react differently to that shirt -- some just shake it off, some take it as a big joke, some get pissed, some get fired up and play harder, some withdraw into shells, etc etc. Some quit.

But the REAL bottom line is that hazing and bullying is 99.8% of the time completely forking stupid bullshirt, and your job is to put together a winning team, and that includes every member of the team, even the withdrawn and 'sensitive' ones, and if somebody in your locker room is pulling forking bullshirt that interferes with those guys being able to perform, you need to come down on those forkers with the hammer of heck and teach them what being bullied is really all about. Cut out the forking hazing bullshirt and play football.

 

[93Devil]

If the sexuality rumors are true, I wonder if a coach as devoutly religious as Philbin might look the other way on this kind of thing...

If it's true, and you look at the team as his workplace and his coach his boss, then he might have a heck of a lawsuit ready to file.

 

[LongTimeListener]

He comes from a highly educated family and went to Stanford. There is a good chance that he looks at guys like Pouncey and Incognito as mornic neanderthals in which he had nothing common so he comes off as aloof and weird.

Based on the histories of Pouncey and Incognito, Martin is probably more mainstream and normal than those two idiots.

And, bingo.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9913324/sources-nfl-eyes-miami-dolphins-richie-incognito-jonathan-martin-case

 

[old_tony]

Now that a huge deal has been made of this and a 300-pound guy is crying about being bullied, what chance does he ever have to return and be an accepted member of the team? He'd have done himself a lot better by cold-cocking Pouncey or Incognito.

 

[LongTimeListener]

Maybe they get rid of Incognito, suspend him or do something else, realizing the "turned over a new leaf" trope is garbage and he is what he has always been. Pouncey is currently being asked to provide bank records and emails as part of a subpoena regarding his involvement in Aaron Hernandez's gun trafficking.

Those two may not be a problem in the Dolphins' locker room very much longer.

Meanwhile, there is this from the Miami Herald: Martin's situation is one of several issues within the Dolphins locker room. Word filtered out this week that there has been growing resentment between other players regarding non-football issues.

 

[Starman]

Now that a huge deal has been made of this and a 300-pound guy is crying about being bullied, what chance does he ever have to return and be an accepted member of the team? He'd have done himself a lot better by cold-cocking Pouncey or Incognito.

Who said he was crying?

Looks to me about as likely he said 'fork this shirt,' stormed out of camp and got on the phone to his agent/lawyer and said "let's fork these forkers over."

As far as what chance he has to come back and be "an accepted member of the team," that probably depends how beloved and revered Incognito and Pouncey are in the locker room.

 

[old_tony]

Now that a huge deal has been made of this and a 300-pound guy is crying about being bullied, what chance does he ever have to return and be an accepted member of the team? He'd have done himself a lot better by cold-cocking Pouncey or Incognito.

Who said he was crying?

Looks to me about as likely he said 'fork this shirt,' stormed out of camp and got on the phone to his agent/lawyer and said "let's fork these forkers over."

As far as what chance he has to come back and be "an accepted member of the team," that probably depends how beloved and revered Incognito and Pouncey are in the locker room.

I have no doubt that Incognito and Pouncey are assholes of the highest degree. But I'll also bet that when they're gone, he'll have problems with someone else. Why do I guess this? Because when things got so bad that he walked out on the team, no one on else on the team bothered to stand up and call out Incognito and Pouncey. 50 other guys sat back and let him walk out.

 

[BurnsWhenIPee]

Now that a huge deal has been made of this and a 300-pound guy is crying about being bullied, what chance does he ever have to return and be an accepted member of the team? He'd have done himself a lot better by cold-cocking Pouncey or Incognito.

Who said he was crying?

Looks to me about as likely he said 'fork this shirt,' stormed out of camp and got on the phone to his agent/lawyer and said "let's fork these forkers over."

As far as what chance he has to come back and be "an accepted member of the team," that probably depends how beloved and revered Incognito and Pouncey are in the locker room.

I have no doubt that Incognito and Pouncey are assholes of the highest degree. But I'll also bet that when they're gone, he'll have problems with someone else. Why do I guess this? Because when things got so bad that he walked out on the team, no one on else on the team bothered to stand up and call out Incognito and Pouncey. 50 other guys sat back and let him walk out.

Or those 50 other guys didn't want to be the new whipping boy for assholes like Incognito and Pouncey? I haven't read up a ton about it, but I haven't heard much about Martin having problems dealing with people in other places he's been. Incognito has been a walking poster child for abortion in every place he's been, and Pouncey is busy with is "Free Hernandez" bullshirt, and seems to be ready to take up a jail cell next to Hernandez at some point in the near future.

I could just as easily see the Dolphins cutting loose Incognito and Pouncey, and the atmosphere around that team improving by light-years just because they are gone.

 

[wicked]

I knew Pouncey was a tool, but what has Incognito done?

 

[Boom_70]

Incognito was suspended in 2004 at Nebraska for the proverbial "off field incidences" .Also labeled The NFL
dirtiest player. But then there is this:

Good Guy Award

The Good Guy Award is given out in each NFL city to the player(s) who best helps the media do its job. In the 2012 season, Incognito was awarded this honor by the South Florida Chapter of the Pro Football Writers Association, alongside teammate Reggie Bush.