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Jonathan Martin and the Miami Dolphins

This:

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2013/11/04/david-shaw-on-jonathan-martin-and-nfl-bullying-this-is-not-just-jon-being-oversensitive-this-is-jonathan-being-the-first-person-to-speak-out/

No, Martin is not the pussy, that's simpleton thinking, he's to be lauded for standing up and saying enough is enough.
 
Team leadership and coaching vacuum in this outfit. Incognito has the sign on his locker reading, "Two things I hate: taxes and rookies." How can anybody permit one player to decree openly his disdain for several teammates? Is "hate" an exaggeration? Perhaps. But this ain't 1973. Somebody should have taken the damn sign down long before they booted its author.
 
qtlaw said:
This:

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2013/11/04/david-shaw-on-jonathan-martin-and-nfl-bullying-this-is-not-just-jon-being-oversensitive-this-is-jonathan-being-the-first-person-to-speak-out/

No, Martin is not the pussy, that's simpleton thinking, he's to be lauded for standing up and saying enough is enough.

Really like David Shaw and what he said in the interview. Stanford runs one of the most physical programs in the country.
One of few teams that hit during the week.

Next up Condi Rice for the kill shot to the fins
 
tapintoamerica said:
Team leadership and coaching vacuum in this outfit. Incognito has the sign on his locker reading, "Two things I hate: taxes and rookies." How can anybody permit one player to decree openly his disdain for several teammates? Is "hate" an exaggeration? Perhaps. But this ain't 1973. Somebody should have taken the damn sign down long before they booted its author.

What I don't get is that Martin was not a rookie. He paid his dues last year.
 
SHAW: Everybody has rules, everybody has things that you do and you don't do. Hazing is not permitted at all at this institution–at all, in any way, shape or form. We let the guys know that right off the bat.

Secondly, one of the things that I say as much as anything else that I say, and I'm a repetitive son of a gun, ask all the guys, I say the same stuff all over again… we win games because of our locker room.

We win games because we have guys that trust each other, guys that play hard for each other. If you're out doing it for yourself, you can't win a team sport. You just can't.

I like what Shaw said here. And take a guess at how far the Dolphins' locker room has declined with all the losing and instability in the past 10 years.
 
I heard Shaw a few weeks ago saying that he gave players a say in recruits. He would ask them after
a recruiting visit if they thought a player would fit into the lockerroom.
 
YankeeFan said:
Boom_70 said:
@SI_JimTrotter

Said one personnel man (who's not alone): "Instead of being a man and confronting him, (Martin) acted like a coward and told like a kid."

These folks (and the folks here) who are blaming the victim are full of shirt. I'm supposed to believe that folks too cowardly to attach their name to their criticism would have the guts to stand up to a 6'5" monster? Sure.

And, what other victims should be required to solve their own problems? Should a woman, facing sexual harassment at work, just deal with it one-on-on with the harasser? Is that what you would recommend to your wife?

What if this shirthead had been bulling a sportswriter? What if he continually walked into a sportswriter on purpose, called him names, and threatened him? The sportswriter should have just brought a bat to the locker room, right?

I dunno man, I've seen some real Internet tough guys handing it to Incognito on Twitter -- really giving him the business with the hashtags, the @ing him, and whatnot. I mean, you don't see Internet-shaming like that from your everyday wuss. In fact, I imagine the bravado they display from behind their keyboards are only a mere fraction of the fury they would unleash if they had the good fortune to meet him face-to-face in a dark alley. Yeah, he'd be lucky to make it out alive.
 
Point of Order said:
YankeeFan said:
Boom_70 said:
@SI_JimTrotter

Said one personnel man (who's not alone): "Instead of being a man and confronting him, (Martin) acted like a coward and told like a kid."

These folks (and the folks here) who are blaming the victim are full of shirt. I'm supposed to believe that folks too cowardly to attach their name to their criticism would have the guts to stand up to a 6'5" monster? Sure.

And, what other victims should be required to solve their own problems? Should a woman, facing sexual harassment at work, just deal with it one-on-on with the harasser? Is that what you would recommend to your wife?

What if this shirthead had been bulling a sportswriter? What if he continually walked into a sportswriter on purpose, called him names, and threatened him? The sportswriter should have just brought a bat to the locker room, right?

I dunno man, I've seen some real Internet tough guys handing it to Incognito on Twitter -- really giving him the business with the hashtags, the @ing him, and whatnot. I mean, you don't see Internet-shaming like that from your everyday wuss. In fact, I imagine the bravado they display from behind their keyboards are only a mere fraction of the fury they would unleash if they had the good fortune to meet him face-to-face in a dark alley. Yeah, he'd be lucky to make it out alive.

In 2012 Incognito was give the Pro Football Writers Good Guy Award for Miami so I guess he has not attacked
sports writers.
 
Boom_70 said:
tapintoamerica said:
Team leadership and coaching vacuum in this outfit. Incognito has the sign on his locker reading, "Two things I hate: taxes and rookies." How can anybody permit one player to decree openly his disdain for several teammates? Is "hate" an exaggeration? Perhaps. But this ain't 1973. Somebody should have taken the damn sign down long before they booted its author.

What I don't get is that Martin was not a rookie. He paid his dues last year.

Back in the olden ages of football, one of the Olympian figures of hazing rookies, Bobby Layne, said that 'rookie' status in terms of hazing suitability extended until the end of training camp of year 2, by which time it was usually apparent if the guy was going to make the team on a 'permanent' basis. After the regular season started in a guy's second season, he was considered a 'veteran.'

From most accounts, Layne's hazing repetoire consisted of forcing rookies to get up in the cafeteria and sing their college fight songs, telling them to run back to the cafeteria during training camp and fetch snacks and cookies, sending them on beer runs, abundant on-field chewing out for screwing up plays, and bag-carrying to team buses.

Selected rookies, mainly Alex Karras, became Layne's personal valet/chauffeur, driving him on his nighttime runs to half the nightspots in Detroit, drinking up all the booze Layne would buy for him, then driving him back to training camp no matter how drunk they both were (involving 10-mph cruises down freeways).

Another great story about Karras' rookie travails involved him being summoned to a hotel room full of Layne and a dozen or so his drunken card-playing buddies, drinking beer at 3 a.m. in Norman, Oklahoma on a steamy 90-degree night before an exhibition game.

Layne says, "Tippy (his nickname for Karras), we want cheeeseburgers."

Karras: "Yes, sir, you can get them from room service. They cost twenty-three cents each."

"The hotel kitchen is closed down, you'll have to go out and get them."

"Sir, do you know where in Norman, Oklahoma in 1957 I can find cheeseburgers at 3 a.m.?"

"No, god damn it, go out and find someplace." SLAM.

So Karras is sent out the door with a fistful of money and orders to come back with 25 custom-ordered cheeseburgers.

Karras goes downstairs and out the front door of the hotel. It's locust season in Norman and they're swarming all over him.

Karras begins walking down the darkened street (again, remember, it's 1957). After a few minutes he decides he'd better jog, or run, because Layne and his buddies are sitting back in the hot hotel room waiting for cheeseburgers. He runs along for maybe 20 minutes, covering a few miles, until he sees a flickering neon sign in the distance: "EAT."

He opens the door of EAT and walks in, a huge guy, buzz cut, coke-bottle glasses, sweating like heck, clothes soaked head to toe. The one guy in the joint, the counter cook, stares in horror.

Karras gasps out, "I want this," and tosses his list of 25 cheeseburgers on the counter.

Without a word counter cook guy cooks up the burgers. As he is nearly finished, he says, "is that to go?"

Karras ponders a second. Chewing through 25 cheeseburgers at 3:30 a.m.? Nah. "Yeah, make it to go."

Counter cook guy packs the burgers into a huge bag. Karras pulls out a wad of cash. Counter cook guy, with terror in his eyes, waves him away. "Forget the money, just take it," he mutters several times. Burger grease is soaking through the bottom of the bag.

Karras bursts out the door of EAT and begins running back to the hotel. Now it's 4 a.m. and getting later. He's hotter and sweatier now and all the locust-bugs, who drive Karras insane, are crawling through his shirt and jacket. He strips to the waist, enters the hotel, and runs up the 5 flights of stairs to Layne's room.

Karras discreetly knocks a couple times on the door as is his usual habit. No answer. He knocks a few more times; still no answer. He knocks a few more times and finally Harley Sewell, a veteran guard and pal of Layne's who utterly detested Karras, answers the door.

"What the heck do you want?"
"I've got all these burgers."
"We all went to bed. God damn it." SLAM.

Karras returned to his own room, tossed the bag of burgers on top of the dresser, and collapsed into bed for 2-3 hours sleep.

He speculated the housekeeping staff found them the next day after the Lions checked out.




According to Karras, when he was serving as Layne's personal flunky, "I never paid for a thing; Layne paid for everything." Apparently Layne felt as a highly-paid veteran star QB, it was his duty to pay the freight for his lower-paid rookie teammates.



Mitch Albom Memorial Self-Plagiarism Self-Disclosure Notice: I knew I had posted this story, more or less verbatim, before, and sure enough, I did, following Harley Sewell's death in Dec. 2011.
 
Here's my statement:

I stand behind my younger (and dumber) brother Richie.

I loved the time Casty thought that I was using my real name.
 
Is The NYT trying to suggest something with the stories surrounding the photo of Martin and Ingognito on their
home page?

http://www.nytimes.com/
 

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