Jonathan Martin and the Miami Dolphins

[Drip]

Grown assed men actling like forking kids. Enough with this bullshirt. All involved need a timeout.

 

[wicked]

Hoge said on SportsCenter this morning that hitting up rookies for $15,000 is a regular occurrence, he even said the amount was low.

Don't really believe that... I get there's a locker room code of silence, but that's a large chunk of change (especially for a rookie) to be doling out without someone saying something.

 

[LongTimeListener]

Anybody who thinks this is over rookies getting stuck with paying tabs is an absolute fool.

Definitely this. This would be the best-case scenario for the Dolphins right now, and forgive me if I don't trust what they say right now, given how they've stood by and let this happen, then bumbled the message over the last week.

I think we all can come up with a possible central theme this could be about.

The reporting on this has been bordering on smug, with almost every reporter implying, "We know the whole story, but we can't tell it to you..."

Mike & Mike were doing this all morning. I just came to this thread to post this. It was obnoxious. Either report it, or STFU. Stop tantalizing us with how in-the-know you are compared to us plebes.

I wonder how many of the reporters positioning themselves as "in the know" now were part of the vote that gave Incognito their Good Guy Award last year.

 

[LongTimeListener]

Hoge said on SportsCenter this morning that hitting up rookies for $15,000 is a regular occurrence, he even said the amount was low.

Don't really believe that... I get there's a locker room code of silence, but that's a large chunk of change (especially for a rookie) to be doling out without someone saying something.

In 1998, T.J. Simers wrote a story in training camp that was the beginning of the end for Ryan Leaf in San Diego. One of the central anecdotes was Leaf getting very, very upset that Junior Seau stole the rookie's credit card and took teammates to dinner.

 

[TigerVols]

So, the Dolphins have said,

Go, Incognito.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

Hoge said on SportsCenter this morning that hitting up rookies for $15,000 is a regular occurrence, he even said the amount was low.

Don't really believe that... I get there's a locker room code of silence, but that's a large chunk of change (especially for a rookie) to be doling out without someone saying something.

It's not unheard of, as long as more than a few rookies are being stuck with the bill. If one rookie had to foot the entire bill, that would be noteworthy, unless the guy was a top pick, one who got a giant signing bonus...

 

[Mizzougrad96]

The three NFL teams I dealt with all had meals during training camp when the rookies would take the veterans out and pay the bill. Typically, the rookies would split the bill, or if there was one guy who was a really high pick, he might pick up the tab. I know of a first-round QB who picked up the tab for the entire dinner, which was $18K. He didn't mind doing that, but he was then informed that he had to take out the offensive linemen as well. That tab was $6K and he was pissed about that one because they were dicks about it and were ordering food and wine that they had no intention of drinking...

I wrote the story about the $18K dinner. I didn't know about the lineman dinner until later in the season when the QB in question was still pissed at two of the players involved in that meal.

 

[Dick Whitman]

Hoge said on SportsCenter this morning that hitting up rookies for $15,000 is a regular occurrence, he even said the amount was low.

Don't really believe that... I get there's a locker room code of silence, but that's a large chunk of change (especially for a rookie) to be doling out without someone saying something.

It's not unheard of, as long as more than a few rookies are being stuck with the bill. If one rookie had to foot the entire bill, that would be noteworthy, unless the guy was a top pick, one who got a giant signing bonus...

Like, say, Dez Bryant ...

I don't like this tradition, of rookies having to pick up astronomical tabs, just for kicks. To me, one's money is almost sacrosanct. I get that these guys get paid good money, but $15K is $15K. If someone actually wants to live modestly, it seems like he should be allowed to do that.

 

[Elliotte Friedman]

You would think given the plethora of ex-jocks on studio shows they could give some insight on the issue of locker room culture, and yet, very little of that today.

This is not quite true. Ray Lewis and Cris Carter were very good about it. Carter blasted the Dolphins coaching staff and organization.

FWIW, Rich Gannon had a great take on Dez Bryant, saying Carter pulled a similar stunt with him and the QB said if you do that again, I'm not throwing you the ball.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

It can be a nice tradition.

The story I did on the $18K meal was one of my favorite stories I did because the players were talking about how fun it was and how happy they were when the first rounder picked up the whole tab, even though it was supposed to be split among eight guys.

When guys start, I hate the use the word "bullying" but I guess it fits, and push it too far, that's where a cool tradition can turn into something pretty shirtty...

 

[Dick Whitman]

It can be a nice tradition.

The story I did on the $18K meal was one of my favorite stories I did because the players were talking about how fun it was and how happy they were when the first rounder picked up the whole tab, even though it was supposed to be split among eight guys.

When guys start, I hate the use the word "bullying" but I guess it fits, and push it too far, that's where a cool tradition can turn into something pretty shirtty...

Mizzou, I think you were in a college fraternity. I thought you had mentioned it here.

I went through "heck week," and I thought it was a ton of fun. Nothing was out of hand. It was mostly a big bonding experience. But occasionally, you'd get someone who would just flip the fork out about it. My brother went nuts on an active during his week, when I was a senior and he was a freshman - not surprisingly, the active who was being the biggest asshole to him was the guy who had taken the most shirt and hated going through it the most when he was in my class. (Now they go to Cardinals games together regularly. Go figure.)

 

[hondo]

Stuff like that has been going on forever. heck, we even had that in high school. Most just accepted it as part of the locker room culture, not that it's good, but you just sort of accepted it.

None of the seniors on my high school team ever asked me to pick up a $30K dinner tab.