Linball

[Boom_70]

The Carmelo / Amare show is just not a good product to watch. Chandler was a better player in Lin ball system so was Novak.

 

[Evil Bastard (aka Chris_L)]

Ragu - correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the Nets carried on YES in NYC? People aren't going to MSG to watch Carmelo shoot 50 times a game and they won't even bother watching on TV either. Meanwhile the Nets with a new arena, a competitive team and paired with the Yankees on TV will give them more cache to the average fan.

In a couple of years people will be more attuned to the TV channel the team is on not so much what Borough they play in.

 

[Boom_70]

Ragu - correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the Nets carried on YES in NYC? People aren't going to MSG to watch Carmelo shoot 50 times a game and they won't even bother watching on TV either. Meanwhile the Nets with a new arena, a competitive team and paired with the Yankees on TV will give them more cache to the average fan.

In a couple of years people will be more attuned to the TV channel the team is on not so much what Borough they play in.

The Nets will always be the 2nd team in NYC, just like The Clippers are in LA

 

[Webster]

What you think about this probably depends on how you feel about correlation/causation but
Nate Silver tweeted that the the MSG stock has gone up $600 million in market capitalization since Lin's first start.

I don't follow the market and my understanding of finance is child like, but it seems silly to pretend Lin's presence didn't contribute to SOME of the renewed enthusiasm in the Knicks, which would in turn, make a difference with the financial sector, no?

It's what makes this bungling that much funnier. They could have locked him up months ago for less. But the bravado... "Jeremy Lin needs to learn a thing or two." Etc, etc.

I mean, signing Kurt Thomas? ;D. Felton? ;D

When I think of who might be involved in this..... There's only one person who could bungle something in this particular way with this kind of panache.

C'mon, who here would be surprised to read he has a hand in this?

They could not have locked him up months ago. Even after the Early Bird Rights decision, he was looking for the best deal, as is his right. He signed a deal meant to punish the Knicks if they match.

 

[Evil Bastard (aka Chris_L)]

darren rovell ‏@darrenrovell
What many are missing: Lin lined the coffers of brokers more than he helped out the Knicks/MSG. Team had already sold out.

 

[The Big Ragu]

Ragu - correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the Nets carried on YES in NYC? People aren't going to MSG to watch Carmelo shoot 50 times a game and they won't even bother watching on TV either. Meanwhile the Nets with a new arena, a competitive team and paired with the Yankees on TV will give them more cache to the average fan.

In a couple of years people will be more attuned to the TV channel the team is on not so much what Borough they play in.

You're not wrong about most of what you are saying.

But here is what I am trying to say, and probably didn't say well.

The Knicks are the Knicks. They will always carry New York.

Sure, if the Knicks suck eggs, the Garden turns into a funeral parlor. But I suspect they'll be just good enough to get a 6 or 7 seed in the playoffs.

If the Nets are really good, of course it will bring in fans.

But at the end of the day, the Nets are never going to take the Knicks place for the heart of NYC, because the Knicks are the Knicks. The Nets as an organization have never captured anyone's imagination, whether it was on Long Island or in various places in NJ. Brooklyn is a whole different game, because the borough is thriving more than any in NYC, but the kinds of people relocating there are of two types: 1) hipsters who are all Brooklyn and are never going to care much about basketball, 2) People with the money to buy tickets to sporting events, but who still think of Manhattan as the place to do anything fun.

There will be lots of interest in the Nets this season. They will sell a lot of tickets. But that arena cost a ton. And I don't think culturally Brooklyn is going to have its attention span on the Nets for more than a few season at the most. If the Nets are really competitive, yeah, people will show up. But I suspect really strongly that if the Nets are mediocre a few years down the line, that arena is going to be half full. Anything less than a killer, championship caliber team, and a few years down the line, I wonder how many people are going to be showing up.

And the Knicks won't suffer for it either way, because if the Knicks put a decent team on the floor, people automatically come.

 

[Lugnuts]

What you think about this probably depends on how you feel about correlation/causation but
Nate Silver tweeted that the the MSG stock has gone up $600 million in market capitalization since Lin's first start.

I don't follow the market and my understanding of finance is child like, but it seems silly to pretend Lin's presence didn't contribute to SOME of the renewed enthusiasm in the Knicks, which would in turn, make a difference with the financial sector, no?

It's what makes this bungling that much funnier. They could have locked him up months ago for less. But the bravado... "Jeremy Lin needs to learn a thing or two." Etc, etc.

I mean, signing Kurt Thomas? ;D. Felton? ;D

When I think of who might be involved in this..... There's only one person who could bungle something in this particular way with this kind of panache.

C'mon, who here would be surprised to read he has a hand in this?

They could not have locked him up months ago. Even after the Early Bird Rights decision, he was looking for the best deal, as is his right. He signed a deal meant to punish the Knicks if they match.

Why would he want to punish them? Because instead of working toward an extension, their attitude with him was clearly "wait-and-see."

Dolan's incompetent, and this was botched. Fans who bought season tickets expecting more Linsanity should see this as a bait-and-switch.

 

[The Big Ragu]

I don't think the Knicks can win in the playoffs with the oldest team in the league (with all of these crap moves), Carmelo hogging the ball and Amare totally out of the offense. But they do have enough talent to do what they did last year, which was feast on the bad teams, lose to the good teams, and make the playoffs (and then lose to a better team in the first round). Carmelo can go one on one with bad teams, Amare will have his moments and Tyson Chandler (the only guy to really love on this team) is a great defensive player. Their bit pieces aren't that bad, particularly with the resigning of Steve Novak. They aren't a great team. But they are good enough to make the playoffs.

 

[PCLoadLetter]

What you think about this probably depends on how you feel about correlation/causation but
Nate Silver tweeted that the the MSG stock has gone up $600 million in market capitalization since Lin's first start.

I don't follow the market and my understanding of finance is child like, but it seems silly to pretend Lin's presence didn't contribute to SOME of the renewed enthusiasm in the Knicks, which would in turn, make a difference with the financial sector, no?

It's what makes this bungling that much funnier. They could have locked him up months ago for less. But the bravado... "Jeremy Lin needs to learn a thing or two." Etc, etc.

I mean, signing Kurt Thomas? ;D. Felton? ;D

When I think of who might be involved in this..... There's only one person who could bungle something in this particular way with this kind of panache.

C'mon, who here would be surprised to read he has a hand in this?

They could not have locked him up months ago. Even after the Early Bird Rights decision, he was looking for the best deal, as is his right. He signed a deal meant to punish the Knicks if they match.

Why would he want to punish them? Because instead of working toward an extension, their attitude with him was clearly "wait-and-see."

Dolan's incompetent, and this was botched. Fans who bought season tickets expecting more Linsanity should see this as a bait-and-switch.

I think what he's saying, Lugs, is that the deal was designed to punish the Knicks, making them less likely to match. Lin isn't trying to punish the Knicks.

The deal is absurdly back-heavy -- $5M the first year, $5.2M the second year, $14.8M the third. The Rockets can use the average of those salaries against the cap for three years, but the Knicks would have to use the actual figures, giving them a massive luxury tax bill in year three. I still think they're foolish to let him go, but that's why they're doing it.

 

[Stitch]

It's interesting that I get YES, but not MSG. No Knicks, but I get the Sixers and Nets games.

 

[Evil Bastard (aka Chris_L)]

Good enough to make the playoffs - maybe? Keep talking yourself into justifying watching that team.

 

[Bodie_Broadus]

So glad they declined to match the offer. Lin never wanted to stay here.

Why overpay for him? He isn't worth what the Rockets gave him.