Mass shooting on campus in Oregon

[Neutral Corner]

Banks are full of money. Criminals love to steal money, and banks are where the money is. Nothing we can do will ever stop people from robbing banks. We all know that it is futile to make an effort to prevent them from being robbed, so there is no point in even trying. There are already laws making it illegal to rob banks and they don't work, so there is no point trying anything else that might work better.

So what if other countries found a way to keep their banks from being robbed nearly as often as ours are, we do things our way here.

 

[Alma]

We know that other countries, in response to one mass shooting, have been able to craft laws that almost eliminate mass shootings. Friends of ours, allies of ours -- Great Britain, Australia, countries like ours. So we know there are ways to prevent it.

Huh. How did Australia "craft" its laws to almost eliminate mass shootings?

Laws there may make it such a pain in the ass to get a gun that you don't get one just because you're feeling disaffected.

 

[Alma]

Banks are full of money. Criminals love to steal money, and banks are where the money is. Nothing we can do will ever stop people from robbing banks. We all know that it is futile to make an effort to prevent them from being robbed, so there is no point in even trying. There are already laws making it illegal to rob banks and they don't work, so there is no point trying anything else that might work better.

So what if other countries found a way to keep their banks from being robbed nearly as often as ours are, we do things our way here.

Lots of politicians believe that, they just don't vote that way because they want to win.

Gun laws are not quashed out of principle. They're held up out of fear of losing elections. It's a matter of political will.

 

[Neutral Corner]

It's a matter of knowing that the NRA will spend a shirtpot full of money to punish anyone who opposes them. They act as though *any attempt to control any aspect of firearms* was the confiscation of all guns in the country. I'm a country boy, grew up with guns and hunting. There is no reason on God's green earth that any one needs a 100 round magazine for their AR-15 except to shoot a whole lot of people before they have to stop to reload. There is no reason anyone needs a thirty round magazine in their Glock pistol except to have an easily concealable wayto kill a lot of people. Period.

There needs to be an effort made to improve control over access to firearms, because clearly what we have now is not working.

 

[Smallpotatoes]

Anyone who's first thoughts after a shooting like this is "Oh shirt, now they're going to take away my guns," really needs to reexamine their priorities in life.

 

[YankeeFan]

Laws there may make it such a pain in the ass to get a gun that you don't get one just because you're feeling disaffected.

Why speculate? I bet we could find out exactly what Australia did.

Does anyone know?

 

[Stoney]

Why speculate? I bet we could find out exactly what Australia did.

Does anyone know?

A brief summary

 

[doctorquant]

Gun laws are not quashed out of principle.

You mean other than the principle that you shouldn't pass laws that are unconstitutional?

 

[YankeeFan]

A brief summary

Could you share with us?

 

[Stoney]

Share what?

 

[Alma]

You mean other than the principle that you shouldn't pass laws that are unconstitutional?

I can't own certain WMDs without a massively rigorous licensing process.

Is that unconstitutional?

 

[Dick Whitman]

I can't own certain WMDs without a massively rigorous licensing process.

Is that unconstitutional?

I covered a Scalia speech a couple years ago, and he speculated that the Second Amendment might, in fact, be limited to the firepower that was available at the time of ratification.