MLB 2014 season thread

[ColdCat]

Did the NL's lack of a DH cost him a perfect game?

I'd say the two outs he got from .154-hitting Johnny Cueto more than offset whatever hypothetical disadvantage he would have endured by running 90 feet at a time over several minutes.

You might think so but the Reds have plenty of non-pitchers on their roster flirting with the Mendoza line.
You might think that pitching a no-hitter or perfect game would be easier without the DH, but we're talking about two at bats out of 27 (in the case of a perfecto, slightly more than 27 for a no-hitter). In fact, since 1973 there have been nine perfect games in the AL (counting Cone's which was an interleague game in an AL park) to five in the NL. Not having to run the bases might help AL pitchers more than facing another pitcher instead of a light-hitting shortstop in the No. 9 hole helps NL pitchers.

 

[LongTimeListener]

Either that or a perfect game is a totally random fluke and the fact that there have been four more in one league than the other -- of the roughly 100,000 games that have been played during that time -- means absolutely nothing.

But yeah, it must be because the pitchers don't have to run.

 

[Riptide]

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Don't have to worry now. Todd Frazier with a double to open the eighth.

Ryu came up to bat in the bottom of the seventh, reached on an error, got to stand around for a few minutes while Cinci made a pitching change, then scored two batters later. Did all that standing around on the basepaths cool him off and take him out of the zone? Did the NL's lack of a DH cost him a perfect game?

Yeah, everyone's a victim again.

He should get a lawyer and sue!! :

 

[Guy_Incognito]

Not having to run the bases might help AL pitchers more than facing another pitcher instead of a light-hitting shortstop in the No. 9 hole helps NL pitchers.

Not arguing your bigger point, but the light-hitting SS is there either way. It's the pitcher instead of the DH, no matter where he hits in the lineup.

 

[bigpern23]

Have teams ever traded no-hitters on consecutive days? That would have been a fun little feat.

 

[jr/shotglass]

That's not really what was happening here, though. Same team going for a second straight no-hitter, and against a different opponent.

 

[Riptide]

Have teams ever traded no-hitters on consecutive days? That would have been a fun little feat.

• In September 1968, no-hitters were thrown in back-to-back games during a series between two teams. On Sept. 17, Gaylord Perry of the Giants no-hit the Cardinals, 1-0, at Candlestick Park. On the following day, Ray Washburn duplicated the feat for the Cardinals with his 2-0 win over the Giants.

• In 1969, Houston and Cincinnati traded no-hitters on consecutive days: on April 30, Jim Maloney of Cincy no-hit Houston and won 10-0; the next day, Don Wilson of Houston no-hit the Reds and won 4-0.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080915&content_id=3481250&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb&fext=.jsp

 

[bigpern23]

Have teams ever traded no-hitters on consecutive days? That would have been a fun little feat.

• In September 1968, no-hitters were thrown in back-to-back games during a series between two teams. On Sept. 17, Gaylord Perry of the Giants no-hit the Cardinals, 1-0, at Candlestick Park. On the following day, Ray Washburn duplicated the feat for the Cardinals with his 2-0 win over the Giants.

• In 1969, Houston and Cincinnati traded no-hitters on consecutive days: on April 30, Jim Maloney of Cincy no-hit Houston and won 10-0; the next day, Don Wilson of Houston no-hit the Reds and won 4-0.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080915&content_id=3481250&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb&fext=.jsp

Good find, very cool.

That's not really what was happening here, though. Same team going for a second straight no-hitter, and against a different opponent.

Yeah, my mistake. Wasn't really paying attention and was a little bleary-eyed this morning when the notification came across my phone.

 

[jr/shotglass]

I have been there.

re Ryu (say that five times fast): I think there's little doubt that the long bottom of the seventh, and the fact he had to make a trip around the bases, was a major factor in him losing the perfecto in the eighth. Whether that's an indictment or boon for the DH ... I'll leave that to greater minds than mine. I'm comfortable with it the way it is; I'll be comfortable with a DH for both leagues; I'll be comfortable with no DH.

 

[LongTimeListener]

The guy gave up a hit, to a player who is hitting .264. There doesn't need to be a reason or an explanation for it. That's why perfect games are so rare.

Put it this way: If you have six outs to go for a no-hitter and the next six hitters are all hitting exactly .250, your chance of getting those six consecutive outs is 18 percent.

 

[jr/shotglass]

I understand what you're saying ... but that's totally removing the talent from the equation, isn't it? Ryu, if he's thrown seven perfect innings, was probably pitching better than his previous 2014 numbers would have predicted.

 

[RickStain]

Why is there little doubt that the baserunning caused him to give up a hit?