NFL playoff thread

[exmediahack]

Payton Manning played with two wide receivers who should make it into the Hall of Fame, Harrison and Wayne, for a total of 22 seasons. He also played with a running back in James for 10 seasons who has as strong Hall of Fame case (13th most yards from scrimmage ever, 11th most rushing yards of all time.)

Tom Brady played with Randy Moss for 2.25 seasons, and Corey Dillion for one great season and two shirtty seasons.

Chew on that as we decide who did more with their gifts.

I'm not the biggest Manning supporter, but he's not dog shirt either.

Now, would you take Manning over his brother, Brees or Warner?

For a "must win or I get fired", i would take all three over Peyton.

 

[dooley_womack1]

Payton Manning played with two wide receivers who should make it into the Hall of Fame, Harrison and Wayne, for a total of 22 seasons. He also played with a running back in James for 10 seasons who has as strong Hall of Fame case (13th most yards from scrimmage ever, 11th most rushing yards of all time.)

Tom Brady played with Randy Moss for 2.25 seasons, and Corey Dillion for one great season and two shirtty seasons.

Chew on that as we decide who did more with their gifts.

Dunno about that rationale. Do we knock Montana down the list of greats because he had Rice, Taylor, Clark and Craig? I think there are several quarterbacks ahead of Manning on the all-time list, but he ain't down there with Jack Concannon or somesuch. Then there's the example of the Broncos turning just about any bum into a 1,000-yard rusher. Manning's system probably made Wayne, Clark and Garcon a bit better than they would have been with another QB.

 

[exmediahack]

Favre ducked out of six different home losses i covered, starting in 1998 with the "Moss Loss" on MNF.

 

[YGBFKM]

Jesus forking Christ, people. Joe Montana was a Super Bowl winner BEFORE Rice, Taylor or Craig were in the NFL. And unlike Manning, he won multiple titles with the aforementioned talent. Do some of you even watch football? fork!

 

[YGBFKM]

By the way, Reggie Wayne, in his 12th year, just had the second-best season of his career.

 

[dreunc1542]

Jesus forking Christ, people. Joe Montana was a Super Bowl winner BEFORE Rice, Taylor or Craig were in the NFL. And unlike Manning, he won multiple titles with the aforementioned talent. Do some of you even watch football? fork!

Have any of you ever even SEEN a football???

 

[dooley_womack1]

Jesus forking Christ, people. Joe Montana was a Super Bowl winner BEFORE Rice, Taylor or Craig were in the NFL. And unlike Manning, he won multiple titles with the aforementioned talent. Do some of you even watch football? fork!

But he didn't spend only one or two years with those guys, Mr. Apparently Peter King and Dr. Z Wrapped Into One, and he won only one without Craig. The point is, you can't treat Montana and Manning differently as far as supporting cast.

Do I think Manning is as good as Montana? No. Do I think Manning is a Hall of Fame quarterback? Yes.

 

[LongTimeListener]

I would hope nobody in the world thinks Peyton Manning is as good as Joe Montana.

But the question is, is Manning as good as (or better than) Tom Brady?

I say no way. In addition to their playoff differences, Brady has always thrown a way better deep ball, even before Manning's injury.

 

[Bubbler]

How 'bout that every QB being discussed in this thread is pretty forking good? We're splitting hairs here.

 

[YGBFKM]

No shirt, dooley. NOBODY ever said he wasn't a Hall of Famer. That was never the question. And Montana already had won twice as many Super Bowls before Rice joined the team. Also, Craig was a very good player, but he's not a Hall of Famer. Neither are Ricky Patton, Earl Cooper or Johnny Davis, the vaunted three-headed rushing attack that played such a huge role in helping Montana win his first title.

I can do this all day.

 

[YGBFKM]

How 'bout that every QB being discussed in this thread is pretty forking good? We're splitting hairs here.

Ya, why would sports journalists want to make such meaningless distinctions?

 

[outofplace]

Perhaps general bitterness.

The reality is that everyone keeps talking about what should have been and could have been with teams/QBs that have already lost in this year's playoffs.

This is the playoff thread. I want to talk about the teams that are still in the playoffs. If we want to regress over what wasn't with all the rest (Manning) do so some where else. Manning is no longer in the playoffs.

I understand the bitterness, but picking apart the teams that just lost is part of the discussion as well. Plus, it's an SportsJournalists.com thread. They tend to go all over the place.