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Pat Tillman 20 years later

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by HanSenSE, Apr 19, 2024.

  1. HanSenSE

    HanSenSE Well-Known Member

  2. BYH 2: Electric Boogaloo

    BYH 2: Electric Boogaloo Well-Known Member

    "friendly fire"

    He was murdered.
     
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  3. Slacker

    Slacker Well-Known Member

  4. HanSenSE

    HanSenSE Well-Known Member

    Jeremy Schapp may be the last true journalist at the WWL after Bob Lee retired.
     
  5. 2muchcoffeeman

    2muchcoffeeman Well-Known Member

    Still dead?
     
  6. WriteThinking

    WriteThinking Well-Known Member

    What a fantastic article, and what a terrific interview with Mary Tillman. I can't imagine living with this, and yet, it seems she has, with determination, and such grace -- for those involved who deserve it, and even, really, for those who don't.

    I found this to be so right, and the most true, devastating and grace-full part of the whole thing:

    The chain of command just threw it downwards. And a lot of these guys [in the platoon] have been harmed with PTSD, with moral injury, moral trauma. It's because they've been betrayed. They've been betrayed by their leaders, who don't have the courage to admit they made a mistake. And of course people forgive mistakes. You may be angry at first. You may question. You may be upset. You may beat on their chest, "How did you make this happen?" But eventually you come to terms with it and you're grateful that they told you the truth. But we can't say that about them. I'm still angry about it. I mean, there's no contrition. They've never apologized to us. They've never apologized to the soldiers that they gaslighted basically into thinking that this was all their fault. It's just lies upon lies upon lies. And they did it so tactically, so strategically."

    The powers that be who were involved should follow Mary Tillman's lead. Even now, it would make a difference -- to her, to the whole Tillman family, to Pat's platoon, and, posthumously, for Pat, who deserves all the respect that can be given to him, yes, even now.

    This was so NOT why he walked away from his NFL career and signed up for the Army Rangers. And I don't mean his getting killed by friendly fire. It's all the other, less accidental, more nefarious stuff that really is even more awful, and so disrespectful.
     
    Last edited: Apr 20, 2024
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  7. TheSportsPredictor

    TheSportsPredictor Well-Known Member

  8. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    The WPPA in action. Ring knockers covering each other's ass.

    Solid article.
     
  9. bigpern23

    bigpern23 Well-Known Member

    Krakauer’s book was so damn good, and so damn sad.
     
  10. playthrough

    playthrough Moderator Staff Member

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  11. swingline

    swingline Well-Known Member

    It seemed like he was in love with Tillman, who, really, was a pretty shitty person.
     
  12. justgladtobehere

    justgladtobehere Well-Known Member

    How so?
     
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