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Rep. Kucinich to File Articles of Impeachment In US House Against VP Cheney

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Deeper_Background, Apr 18, 2007.

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  1. Major issue?
    Or is anti-abortion/pro-choice the major issue?
    Seriously, I'm asking. If I broke off "background checks" to define someone's position on gun control, would that be fair?
     
  2. zagoshe

    zagoshe Well-Known Member

    How about federal funding of abortions both in the united states and internationally
     
  3. zagoshe

    zagoshe Well-Known Member

    I love liberal hair splitting and rationalization.

    The point is simple -- Nancy Pelosi is far more extreme and liberal on the entire issue of abortion than mainstream America, which surveys and polls consistently show believes abortion is morally wrong but necesarry and thus must be legal but with restrictions.
     
  4. Neither one of them is in favor of it.
    Rudy Giuliani, on the other hand, is in favor of the former. Said so last week.
    I'd like to see a source on "morally wrong but necessary."
     
  5. Ace

    Ace Well-Known Member

    So what is her stance?
     
  6. Armchair_QB

    Armchair_QB Well-Known Member

    So was Andrea Yates.

    And Susan Smith.
     
  7. C'mon AQB. Stifle that Yawn.
     
  8. zagoshe

    zagoshe Well-Known Member

    Neither one is in favor of federal funding of abortion?

    The best part about people like Fenian who are so blindly loyal to their political parties is they refuse to let facts stand in the way of digging in and defending a position, no matter how wrong they are.

    Case in point - Nancy Pelosi in 2001 she was one of the most vocal opponents of President Bush's decision to re-instate a ban on federal funding for groups that provide abortion and abortion counseling. The ban incidentally was lifted in 1993 by President Clinton, one of the most unpopular decisions he made.
     
  9. zagoshe

    zagoshe Well-Known Member

    Ace -- Her stance is simple -- abortions should be on demand and federally funded and without any questions asked regardless of how old the person is seeking for one. Look at her voting record if you really are interested.

    Of course, now that she is the speaker of the house, she is trying to remake herself as some Catholic girl moderate (the same thing they are doing with Hillary, whose stance on a nationalized health care is not even close to what mainstream Americans want) and of course, her enablers in the beltway media are doing their best to help her and revise history about what she actually stands for.

    But the good thing is, for people who want to know about what Pelosi really stands for, her voting record is something that she can't hide from. She is every bit the extremist Newt Gingrich was. The only difference is she isn't a white male and most of the beltway reporters are on her side of the aisle.
     
  10. Ah, well, a half-truth's better than none, of course.
    She opposed Fredo's attempt to reinstate the restrictions because it eliminated funding for a whole host of women's health funding provisions -- including birth control, which is the real target and has been all along -- so it's kind of a leap from there to concluding that she wants the federal government to pay for anyone's abortion at any time, which is illegal because of the Hyde Amendment anyway, foof. Rudy G and I disagree, of course.
    And where'd Hillary go from this discussion.

    Here's some fairly recent numbers, anyway.
    http://www.pollingreport.com/abortion.htm
     
  11. zagoshe

    zagoshe Well-Known Member

    I'm not going to argue with you Fenian, look at her voting record on any kind of bill or measure that has to do with abortion and she has always voted for the most liberal and extreme position. She has never voted for any restrictions or common sense measures that don't ensure abortions on-demand.

    And federal funding of birth control is an extreme position as well.
     
  12. I wouldn't either.
    Pelosi supports the Roe decision, which is not "abortion on demand" and never has been. She opposes efforts to whittle away the right to choose with silly-ass, non-scientific restrictions like "partial-birth abortion," which doesn't even exist as a medical term of art, but which wa good enough for the meat-puppets in Washington today. She believes that it's all right for federally-funded clinics to give women all information they need to make an informed choice about their health and well-being, and that that should include information about a procedure that they have a perfect legal right to have performed.
    "Abortion on demand"?
    That's fucking hilarious.
     
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