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And your own numbers prove the point -- only 31 percent of Americans believe Abortion should be legal in all cases, which means the majority belive there should be some restrictions.

Nancy Pelosi's view on abortion are extreme and what is your obsession with Rudy Guilliani?


I'm not even sure why he is in this discussion because he is just a womanizing doofus whose entire legacy seems to be 1) He gave good sound bites during 9/11 and 2) He helped spear head the efforts of the New York City District Attorney's office to shred the bill of rights in order to help bring down the mob and clean up New York City.

 

I'm still stuck on this.

Federal funding for birth control is an extreme position? Where?

 

That's a nice tap dance Fenian but it doesn't change the facts or her voting record. You can try and dress it up in the words drawn up from liberal lexicon and thrown about by liberals who know full well that their positions are extreme but are masters of framing all of their positions to make those who oppose them seem heartless but again, HER VOTING RECORD SPEAKS FOR ITSELF and no amount of cleansing can change it.

Voted YES on allowing human embryonic stem cell research. (May 2005)
Voted NO on restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions. (Apr 2005)
Voted NO on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. (Feb 2004)
Voted NO on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother’s life. (Oct 2003)
Voted NO on forbidding human cloning for reproduction & medical research. (Feb 2003)
Voted NO on funding for health providers who don't provide abortion info. (Sep 2002)
Voted NO on banning Family Planning funding in US aid abroad. (May 2001)
Voted NO on federal crime to harm fetus while committing other crimes. (Apr 2001)
Voted NO on banning partial-birth abortions. (Apr 2000)
Voted NO on barring transporting minors to get an abortion. (Jun 1999)
Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record. (Dec 2003)
Supported funding contraception and UN family planning. (Jul 1999)

 

You're talking about a guy who thinks women are weaker than men. My guess is anything that gives women any level of power over their reproduction is extreme to him.

 

Rudy looks damn good in a dress. Can't fault a guy for that.

 

So... She supports abortion rights.

That puts her with 60 percent of Americans.

Where is the extreme part, I still wonder.

 

Actually, by those numbers, 55 percent believe that it should be legal in "most" or "all" cases. Hell, Roe has restrictions, based on trimester, which you continually ignore while raving about "abortion on demand," which never has existed in this country. Look at your list, foof, which I googled, too, by the way. Embryonic stem-cell research? The fetal-crime law? Transportation of minors? The UN family-planning and contraception?
You really want to put your position on stem-cell research and birth control to a vote? (Ask Jim Talent in Missouri how that worked out. He's got time on his hands.) The whole anti-choice, Roe-whittling Christmas list.And zeke, your point about birth-control is well-taken. It's a giveaway for most anti-choice zealots that what they're really after is controlling women's reproductive freedoms.

 

In fact, I just looked this up since we are only telling half the story --

As a member of the house of representatives, she scored a 100 percent for her voting record on abortion by NARAL Pro-Choice America, which I think anyone who is being honest is an extemely liberal organization not in touch with mainstream America.

The fact that she scored a 100 percent by that group is probably not indicative of her voting record.

Now, before you slobber and foam at the mouth, ask yourself this, what if a major politician scored "100 percent" for his voting record by the NRA, which I'd would say is a fairly extreme organization as well, or a "100 percent" by an organization like Focus on the Family.

Where would you say that puts on them in relationship with mainstream America?

 

There are plenty of Dems who are have scored 100 percent with the NRA, esp. in the West. My beloved governor (Brian Schweitzer) for one.

 

Abortion on demand doesn't exist because mainstream America doesn't want it.

And you can try and cut the numbers anyway you want (numbers from an outlet, by the way, that has been discredited for its left leanings), but the fact that 24 percent of the Americans who say they support abortion in most cases, suggest that, unlike what Nancy Pelosi advocates, there is a significant percent of the people on her own side of the aisle who don't think that abortion should be without some restrictions.

 

zagoshe --

Your logic is extremely flawed.

You keep bringing up issues where Americans are genuinely divided. The best split you can hope for on any abortion related issue is 60-40. Those numbers fluctuate based on the part of the country where you live, yes, but as a whole, Americans are divided on abortion with a consistent majority wishing to maintain the status quo -- abortion remaining legal with restrictions. And being one of NARAL's favorite representatives doesn't mean someone is in full agreement with NARAL, either.

To suggest that someone is outside the mainstream for having a pro-choice voting record is ludicrous.

And by your posts, you've demonstrated quite clearly that you are the one whose opinion is outside the mainstream on this issue. Because if you truly believe that approving of federal funds being used to help poor women obtain birth control is an extreme position, I don't know what to tell you other than you're out in moonbat-land. You reinforce that every time you type "abortion on demand" which is a meaningless talking point. It's never existed. As Fenian correctly points out, the Roe decision itself places limits on the procedure.

 

The majority Americans are for birth control. The majority of Americans are not for federally funding birth control. There is a huge difference.

And abortion is absolutely an issue which divides Americans -- but there is a common sense, middle ground that seems to be what most Americans, even in the so called red states -- agree is fair and sensible.

And there are extremists on both sides whether it be the Pat Robertsons or the Nancy Pelosi's.

The fact that we have people in here trying to argue the point, despite a plethora of evidence which supports it is ridiculous.